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Old 06-20-2018, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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It is a fact that due to the many anti-immigration initiatives enacted by The Administration, that net in migration to the United States is dropping rapidly. I'm just saying, by the time any wall is designed and built, it is safe to assume that net in migration to the United States from south of the border will be minimal. If a wall didn't cost anything that would be one thing, but it will cost billions. Billions, and it is highly unlikely that Mexico will pay for it. So why is it even on the table as a requirement for an Immigration Bill? An established anti-immigration culture and properly trained and equipped Border Patrol are all that will be required going forward to protect America's south border security. I believe this has to be known in Washington. Personally I think that about $5B to $7B of the demanded $25B for wall building will actually be spent on a wall. ~$4B on upgraded fencing and ~$3B on enhanced technology and training and personnel for Border Control. The rest will go into the Mother of All War Chests, to solidify the Far Right hold on America's ideological rudder. Ignoring the shots across the bow of "Citizens United" and "The Financial Meltdown" got us to this point. Caving to the extortion represented by a demand for $25B or "the children will continue to be separated from their parents at the border" will finish off our Democracy.
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Old 06-20-2018, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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The reason for the Wall is that the pendulum always swings. One of the very reasons for the drop in net migration is the policy of the current administration. When the next Democrat is elected President, it will be much harder for him/her to "ring the dinner bell" for illegals (like Obama did with DACA) if there is a physical barrier in place. Secondly, the Wall will hopefully also slow down the flow of illegal drugs and human trafficking coming up through Mexico.
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Old 06-20-2018, 12:27 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The reason for the Wall is that the pendulum always swings. One of the very reasons for the drop in net migration is the policy of the current administration. When the next Democrat is elected President, it will be much harder for him/her to "ring the dinner bell" for illegals (like Obama did with DACA) if there is a physical barrier in place. Secondly, the Wall will hopefully also slow down the flow of illegal drugs and human trafficking coming up through Mexico.
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Plus, we don't need an entire border fence. We just need a physical barrier where the urban centers are. Like here, in San Diego, where the fence has done wonders.
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Old 06-20-2018, 12:30 PM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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It is a fact that due to the many anti-immigration initiatives enacted by The Administration, that net in migration to the United States is dropping rapidly. I'm just saying, by the time any wall is designed and built, it is safe to assume that net in migration to the United States from south of the border will be minimal. If a wall didn't cost anything that would be one thing, but it will cost billions. Billions, and it is highly unlikely that Mexico will pay for it. So why is it even on the table as a requirement for an Immigration Bill? An established anti-immigration culture and properly trained and equipped Border Patrol are all that will be required going forward to protect America's south border security. I believe this has to be known in Washington. Personally I think that about $5B to $7B of the demanded $25B for wall building will actually be spent on a wall. ~$4B on upgraded fencing and ~$3B on enhanced technology and training and personnel for Border Control. The rest will go into the Mother of All War Chests, to solidify the Far Right hold on America's ideological rudder. Ignoring the shots across the bow of "Citizens United" and "The Financial Meltdown" got us to this point. Caving to the extortion represented by a demand for $25B or "the children will continue to be separated from their parents at the border" will finish off our Democracy.
Your reasoning is faulty. It's our country and we get to make the rules.The wall is being built now. Move on.
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Old 06-20-2018, 12:30 PM
 
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How illegals come into the country:



They make tunnels, they are smuggled in through people called "coyotes", bribing the UPS/FedEx/DHL driver, they come in legally then overstay work visa or never return home, hide out on boats, planes, Rv's anything.


If you truly believe illegals are just waltzing across the border you are delusional.
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Old 06-20-2018, 12:30 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Something to do with stopping the flow of illegal immigrants from Mexico as much as possible.
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Old 06-20-2018, 12:32 PM
 
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Having a wall would prevent almost all asylum seeking families from having to cross illegally, breaking the law and getting separated, which is what happens when one is arrested. It would force them to enter through the proper border entry like the law requires.
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Old 06-20-2018, 12:36 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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Trump rode the "Wall" pony to the White House. You don't get off the horse that got you there, even if it should have been shot long ago.
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Old 06-20-2018, 12:37 PM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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There has been talk of a crowd-funding deal where groups or individuals get to "sponsor" each section. That would bring in $billions! Steve's Roofing and Hank's Wedding Cakes would get a plaque on their sections.

Another good idea would be to have shooting ranges every few miles where feasible to add a recreational aspect to the tall structure.

Any thoughts?
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Old 06-20-2018, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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The reason for the Wall is that the pendulum always swings. One of the very reasons for the drop in net migration is the policy of the current administration. When the next Democrat is elected President,
Well if Trump does it right that will never happen again. And I'm not certain that that is a good thing. If it weren't for Obama this country would have seen another Depression. You know I'm right. It was happening. There were 600,000 jobs being lost every month. That is not fairy stories. It was actually happening. And when Clinton was elected the country had 10.2% unemployment. Again, that is not fantasy. You can go look it up. Both Democrats turned our economy around and left things better when they were leaving than when they found them. Trumps unemployment numbers aren't terrible but the "Job Participation" index is awful, which is why it isn't being mentioned. And the murder and suicide (and murder/suicide) rates have never been higher. But with enough money (and I should think $15B is enough) even Trump can get himself re-elected and set it up so that there is an unbroken string of like minded successors. And then that wall won't be there to keep people out. It will be there to keep them in!!
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