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Originally Posted by phantompilot
The UK is a totalitarian police-state where filming is a crime (which is INSANE), ruled by people that hate the West and their own people (or the natives, in many cases), and where the natural rights of man are routinely abused or violated.
This is the kind of thing we avoided by our Revolution.
Thank God for the brave men that fought and died for our freedom. Can you imagine living in some hellhole where taking pictures of government proceedings is a criminal act?
No government oversight or transparency, "judges" gagging the press, and the jailing of dissidents after secret bench trials without a jury, is the kind of horror we expect from repressive regimes like Communist Russia, China, or North Korea. Not in the Western world.
Shameful and disgusting.
The UK needs to be put under the same sanctions that other human rights offenders like NK and Iran are under.
Public photography is perfectly legal in the UK excaept in relation to areas such as military bases or those engaded in national security. Filiming places such schools which are private property may also lead to police action for obvious reasons.
In terms of Courts it is a criminal offence to photograph anyone entering or leaving a Court building under the 1925 Criminal Justice Act, and that includes those accused of crimes, jurors, witnesses and member of the judiciary. There are usually signs in and around Court buildings explaining the law and the law was explained to Tommy Robinson (real name Stephen Yaxley-Lenon) during a hearing for contempt in Canterbury.
Tommy Robinson (real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) turned up in Leeds on Thursday despite being on a suspended sentence in relation to filming at a court, to film people going into the trial of several Muslim men accused of “grooming” and sexually assaulting white girls. Furthermore you have to be careful not to prejudice an on-going trial, and what Robinson should have done is wait for the men to be found guilty and then make a video highlighting it rather than film outside courts in relation to an on-gpoing case where the accussed are innocent until proven guilty, indeed even the media has to be careful as to what is written in relation to on-going cases.
Whilst I find it strange that the police used 'Breach of the Peace' to arrest him, he certainly did break the terms of his suspended sentence and it's his constant disregard for the law and lack of common sense that had ended with him being returned to prison.
In terms of the prison system he is not going to be murdered, indeed there are child rapists, child killers, serial killers and people of every perverted persuasion in prison and what the authorities do is assess them and put them on Rule 45 which means they go to a special unit for Vulnerable Prisoners (VP's), indeed their are whole prisons for such people in terms of sex offenders, and most prisons have VP wings. Rule 43 in relation to segregation from the general population is another option.
Tommy Robinson has a 3 month prison sentence, although this may be reduced in relation to good behaviour, and if there is a risk to him then the prison authorities are held responsible and he must be offered 'protective custody'.
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In terms of the prison system he is not going to be murdered, indeed there are child rapists, child killers, serial killers and people of every perverted persuasion in prison and what the authorities do is assess them and put them on Rule 45 which means they go to a special unit for Vulnerable Prisoners (VP's), indeed their are whole prisons for such people in terms of sex offenders, and most prisons have VP wings. Rule 43 in relation to segregation from the general population is another option.
Tommy Robinson has a 3 month prison sentence, although this may be reduced in relation to good behaviour, and if there is a risk to him then the prison authorities are held responsible and he must be offered 'protective custody'.
In other words BNW, for his own safety, Tommy will be placed in the wing that protects child rapists and murderers from the general jail population.
Tommy will never agree to that. Sure, he's broken the laws by filming suspects arriving at court. The law protects child rapists, and locks up patriots like Tommy. That's the country we live in today.
He says himself he feels one day he will be murdered by Muslims. It doesn't stop him. He is a brave man being harassed, and rounded up by fearful Government officials. They have to silence people like Tommy Robinson.
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In other words BNW, for his own safety, Tommy will be placed in the wing that protects child rapists and murderers from the general jail population.
Tommy will never agree to that. Sure, he's broken the laws by filming suspects arriving at court. The law protects child rapists, and locks up patriots like Tommy. That's the country we live in today.
In terms of the rape case at Canterbury Crown Court, once the individuals were found guilty their pictures were published anyway.
Yes they are disgusting men and indeed Asian and I have no problem with Tommy Robinson (real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon), however wait until people are found guilty before taking photos or making videos labelling people as paedophiles, as such reporting can actually prejudice a case and cause trials to collapse. You also have to remember that such a trial was traumatic enough for the 16 year old victim without Tommy Robinson trying to get in to the court with a camera.
I am sure if the accused in Leeds are found guilty then there pictures will also be released and then Tommy Robinson can call them paedophiles and put then in his videos and I am more than happy with that. However you are innocent until proven guilty in this country and this needs to be respected.
Such reports as the ones made my Tommy on the Canterbury case where he made a video of those accused labelling them paedophiles and trying to take pctures before they were even found guily, are very helpful to the defence, who can claim the media (including social media) has prejudiced the case. Cases can collapse and Juries can be dismissed in such circumstances, and this was made very clear to Robinson by Judge Norton in Canterbury.
As for prison, he can be held under Rule 43 which is segregation from the general population, it is rule 45 that is used for sex offenders and the like who are put on special wings or prisons. In terms of Rule 43 he will just be seperated in the block as it's known rather than being with sex offenders and the like.
I don't dislike Robinson but he can't be labelling people or taking pictures during on-going court cases, he just needs to wait until the verdict and then make a social media video about these Muslims. Indeed I would hate any of these perverts to walk free due to the case being prejudiced.
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Weren't you also in support of Count Danula's conviction for uploadinding that offensive video to Youtube? Just an observation on how people have different perspectives on these hot button issues.
What I said about that case was that it was a waste of public money and that the police could have just had a word with him about the complaints they had received, and it could have been dealt with that way.
There was no need for any trial in the first place.
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I will repeat here what I said in the other thread.
Tommy Robinson's suspended sentence relates to him trying to take pictures of the accussed during an on-going rape case being held at Caterbury Crown Court.
In terms of the rape case at Canterbury Crown Court, once the individuals were found guilty their pictures were published anyway.
Yes they are disgusting men and indeed Asian and I have no problem with Tommy Robinson, however wait until people are found guilty before taking photos or making videos labelling people as paedophiles, as such reporting can actually prejudice a case and cause trials to collapse. You also have to remember that such a trial was traumatic enough for the 16 year old victim without Tommy Robinson trying to get in to the court with a camera.
I am sure if the accused in Leeds are found guilty then there pictures will also be released and then Tommy Robinson can call them paedophiles and put then in his videos and I am more than happy with that. However you are innocent until proven guilty in this country and this needs to be respected.
Such reports as the ones made my Tommy on the Canterbury case where he made a video of the accused labelling them paedophiles and trying to take pctures before they were even found guily, are very helpful to the defence, who can claim the media (including social media) has prejudiced the case. Cases can collapse and Juries can be dismissed in such circumstances, and this was made very clear to Robinson by Judge Norton in Canterbury.
As for prison, he can be held under Rule 43 which is segregation from the general population, it is rule 45 that is used for sex offenders and the like who are put on special wings or prisons. In terms of Rule 43 he will just be seperated in the block as it's known rather than being with sex offenders and the like.
I don't dislike Robinson but he can't be labelling people or taking pictures during on-going court cases, he just needs to wait until the verdict and then make a social media video about these Muslims. Indeed I would hate any of these perverts to walk free due to the case being prejudiced because of his actions.
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Weren't you also in support of Count Danula's conviction for uploadinding that offensive video to Youtube? Just an observation on how people have different perspectives on these hot button issues.
It's "Count Dankula", and he should never have been convicted for a joke. Teaching a pet dog to give a Nazi salute, and those idiots don't realize it's a joke. Seriously, how many people have taught their dogs to "High 5"? It's the same fricken trick, Count Dankula just called it something else. "Off with his head!" The UK is in big trouble. They need a whole lot more people who are brave enough to stand up against this horse crap.
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It's "Count Dankula", and he should never have been convicted for a joke. Teaching a pet dog to give a Nazi salute, and those idiots don't realize it's a joke. Seriously, how many people have taught their dogs to "High 5"? It's the same fricken trick, Count Dankula just called it something else. "Off with his head!" The UK is in big trouble. They need a whole lot more people who are brave enough to stand up against this horse crap.
The Jewish community in Scotland complained about the term 'gas the jews' being used in the video, it was nothing to do with the salute, indeed the Nazi salute is not illegal in the UK.
The case should have just been dealt with by the police, who could have went around and had a chat about the upset the video was causing among the jewish community and the consequent alleged upsurge in anti-semitic abuse they were receiving.
Last I heard nearly a £100,000 had been raised through internet crowd funding in order to launch a High Court appeal.
So the case is still on-going and the previous ruling may yet be overturned on appeal, thereby setting a different judicial precedent.
The Jewish community in Scotland complained about the term 'gas the jews' being used in the video, it was nothing to do with the salute, indeed the Nazi salute is not illegal in the UK.
The case should have just been dealt with by the police, who could have went around and had a chat about the upset the video was causing among the jewish community and the consequentalleged upsurge in anti-semitic abuse they were receiving.
I guess Siné alias Maurice Sinet, a former Charlie-Hebdo cartoonist who was fired in 2009 for ridiculing Judaism, was more lucky than Count Dankula and the remaining staff of Charlie-Hebdo. Charlie Hebdo Fired
If Siné had done that cartoon in question today, would he be in the same trouble as Count Dankula?
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I guess Siné alias Maurice Sinet, a former Charlie-Hebdo cartoonist who was fired in 2009 for ridiculing Judaism, was more lucky than Count Dankula and the remaining staff of Charlie-Hebdo. Charlie Hebdo Fired
If Siné had done that cartoon in question today, would he be in the same trouble as Count Dankula?
It is not a criminal offence to publish a picture of Mohammed in the UK, indeed the Quran itself does not even explicitly forbid images of Mohammad.
Not that I give a damn what the Quran says.
There is nothing stopping you being insulting in the UK, it is generally when something becomes threatening or may instil fear in people that a line is crossed.
Inciting hatred through racial and indeed religous abuse and threatening behaviour in a public place is illegal, however again the police usually only intervene when specific threats are made.
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MM have teamed up with Olliers Solicitors, a leading criminal law firm based in Manchester, to answer YOUR legal questions.
This week, Olliers shed some light on the legality of publishing images of Mohammed.
This is an issue that has garnered significant attention over the years and especially recently following the tragic shootings at the Charlie Hebdo offices in Paris earlier this year.
In short, the answer is that it is not illegal in the UK to publish a picture or a drawing of the prophet Mohammed and it does not constitute any criminal offence however it is not quite as straight forward as it first appears.
In relation to a picture of Mohammed one would not expect this alone to constitute an offence as it may be presented in a respectful manner (although some extremists may disagree and say that any picture of the Prophet is forbidden) however if the picture was in some way disrespectful or mocking toward Islam or if it was in the form of a racist poster then it may incite religious/racial hatred.
An offence could have been committed when a person says or does something which is threatening or abusive and, by doing so, either intends to stir up racial hatred, or makes it likely that racial hatred will occur.
I really don't understand the level of hatred for your own country that goes into this kind of thing.
Muslims flee the hellholes they live in to find a better life in Western Europe, then they try to recreate the hellhole they just escaped. It's a very strange thing. This has been going on for many years now, but thanks to Obama's "Arab Spring" the trickle of Muslim immigration into Europe quickly turned into a flood. Refugees fleeing war zones Obama helped create on the one hand. The much larger flood is the black and north African migrants who aren't fleeing war zones, but know that Europe has a very nice fat welfare system waiting for them.
They are violent. They are entitled. They organize hate-rape gangs who have grabbed up thousands of white British girls as young as 11 years old or younger and subjected them to years and years of rape and sex trafficking. They're told they deserve it because they're not Muslims. The British police and government have apparently lost their minds and refuse to do anything about these "Grooming Gangs" for as much as 40 years, despite knowing perfectly well what was happening. Meanwhile, putting bacon on the door of a mosque got a guy that dislikes Muslims thrown in prison for a year. He was dead before the end of the year was up.
Tommy Robinson is something of a controversial character. He's been quite outspoken against the incoming flood of Muslims. He grew up dealing with a lot of violence and criminal behavior by Muslims in his hometown Luten. He's seen the worst of bad Muslim behavior first-hand and he quite fearlessly reports on it. Some say he exaggerates and much of it may be debatable. But what happened to him is no exaggeration. The British government went digging around in his past. They got him on a technicality that let them throw him in prison for fraud. Muslim gangs rule British prisons so he was put in solitary for his own protection. At one point, a judge decided to move him out of solitary. Within a day or two was beaten nearly to death by a gang of radical Muslims. The British government desperately wants Tommy Robinson to be silenced.
A couple days ago, Tommy Robinson was reporting outside the courthouse about a Muslim Rape Gang trial. He was arrested for disturbing the peace and within the hour he was sent to prison for 13 months. A gag order has been issued banning any of this even being talked about by anyone in the UK. Clearly they want to hide the fact that they've sent Tommy to prison. It is extremely likely that the radical Muslim gangs that dominate the prisons in the UK will kill him and the British government knows it. In fact they're probably counting on it.
This is why the 2nd Amendment is so important. Someday, your government might decide to stop protecting you from the bad guys. Someday, you might find yourself in George Orwell's "1984" like the UK is now. RIP United Kingdom. You will be missed.
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