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How can you have free and fair elections if you can't confirm that a person voting is who they say they are and qualified to vote? Why would anyone not want voter ID laws?
I don't know why there is such push back when it comes to voter ID laws. We have to show ID for most things today so why not something as important as voting.
The usual reasons given are that poor people and the elderly cannot get ID's but we all know that the 2020 elections are coming up in... wait for it 2020. So why can't we have people getting ready for that now? People always wait until the last minute which has caused some states to offer same day registration.
It sort of makes one wonder if the people wait until the last day to register have they also waited until the day of to do research on the candidate and the topics and questions or are they just going to wing it in the voting booth?
I don't know why there is such push back when it comes to voter ID laws. We have to show ID for most things today so why not something as important as voting.
The usual reasons given are that poor people and the elderly cannot get ID's but we all know that the 2020 elections are coming up in... wait for it 2020. So why can't we have people getting ready for that now? People always wait until the last minute which has caused some states to offer same day registration.
It sort of makes one wonder if the people wait until the last day to register have they also waited until the day of to do research on the candidate and the topics and questions or are they just going to wing it in the voting booth?
That's the excuse given -- but they did a survey of elderly and minorities and most said that they had no issues getting ID's. We know the real reason for the push-back against voter ID's and it shows in the map.
Well then resurrect Trump's voter fraud commission headed by Kris Kobach if you think this there is still a problem. He was unable to locate all those boatloads of voters coming into New Hampshire during the 2016 election. He is finished making a fool out of himself in federal court in Kanas so he is available.
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WICHITA, Kan. — The American Civil Liberties Union asked a federal judge on Monday to order Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach to pay more than $50,000 in attorney fees and other damages as punishment for violating a court order to fully register some voters.
Its filing comes in the wake of last month’s ruling by U.S. District Judge Julie Robinson finding Kobach, a candidate for Kansas governor, in contempt of court in a lawsuit challenging a Kansas law requiring proof of U.S. citizenship to register to vote.
Kobach is nationally known for championing tough immigration and voter identification laws and served as vice chairman of President Trump’s now-disbanded commission on election fraud.
Robinson didn’t impose a fine at the time of her contempt hearing but ordered Kobach to pay for damages, including attorney fees. The ACLU said litigating the contempt motion required 133.5 attorney hours and more than 19 paralegal hours amounting to $49,637.04. It also incurred expenses in the amount of $2,009.12.
Well then resurrect Trump's voter fraud commission headed by Kris Kobach if you think this there is still a problem. He was unable to locate all those boatloads of voters coming into New Hampshire during the 2016 election. He is finished making a fool out of himself in federal court in Kanas so he is available.
How about we just pass a federal law requiring voter ID's for everyone that votes - and the requirement to show those ID"s when voting. Simple enough isn't it? Why not?
I would be happy to re-establish a fraud commission if given the opportunity. And you can choose who can head it up - as long as their is bi-partisan oversight. Fair enough? Who would you like to see run it?
How can you have free and fair elections if you can't confirm that a person voting is who they say they are and qualified to vote? Why would anyone not want voter ID laws?
Many older low income black Americans don't have the ability to get certain ID's, either because of missing documents, not being eligible to drive, or they can't afford the fees. And "11% of U.S. citizens – or more than 21 million Americans – do not have government-issued photo identification." https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-vo...ion-fact-sheet
"Rates of identification-ownership are highest among White individuals, while other ethnic groups disproportionately lack necessary photo ID. Thirteen percent of Blacks, 10 percent of Hispanics, but only 5 percent of Whites lack photographic identification." http://www.projectvote.org/wp-conten...ruary-2015.pdf
Many older low income black Americans don't have the ability to get certain ID's, either because of missing documents, not being eligible to drive, or they can't afford the fees. https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-vo...ion-fact-sheet
"Rates of identification-ownership are highest among White individuals, while other ethnic groups disproportionately lack necessary photo ID. Thirteen percent of Blacks, 10 percent of Hispanics, but only 5 percent of Whites lack photographic identification." http://www.projectvote.org/wp-conten...ruary-2015.pdf
I was going to make an argument to the contrary - but let's use all of the resources you have cited. Would it not make sense for everyone to feel included in free and fair elections? The issue seems to be that it is hard for some percentage of blacks and minorities to get ID's to use - so let's help them out and get them a proper photo ID.
That's the argument isn't it - that it's hard for them to get an ID ? So let's help them get one. Seems pretty logical and should increase voter participation. Can you get behind that?
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I was going to make an argument to the contrary - but let's use all of the resources you have cited. Would it not make sense for everyone to feel included in free and fair elections? The issue seems to be that it is hard for some percentage of blacks and minorities to get ID's to use - so let's help them out and get them a proper photo ID.
That's the argument isn't it - that it's hard for them to get an ID ? So let's help them get one. Seems pretty logical and should increase voter participation. Can you get behind that?
Well yes, that does seem reasonable, doesn't it?
So why don't Republicans do that? If the goal really is to ensure a free and fair election, the right should want to help every citizen exercise their right to vote. So why don't they? Oh right, because the whole point is to suppress the minority vote.
The people alleging voter fraud are fund raising. Catherine Engelbrecht and her buddies are still in operation so somebody is sending them money. True the Vote is bogus.
If as much energy and attention was given to seeing every citizen of this country had the required ID, how could the right continue to fund raise?
When a retired USA congressman is denied the right to vote in a precinct where he is well known due to an expired TDL, something's bad wrong.
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