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Old 07-13-2018, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Still looking for converts? Sorry not a blockhead like Walter Block who was (his words) converted by Ayn Rand, Murray Rothbard, Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman, et al.

Good luck attempting to sell your punctured mythologies elsewhere.
Cool how you mentioned the economists who are correct on the economy.
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Old 07-13-2018, 11:32 AM
 
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Show Ron Paul THIS while you are at it...
hmm seems like team D just starts spewing spittle when it cant formulate a coherent argument.
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Old 07-13-2018, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Texas
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This follows the path the Republican party has recently been going down. Would not be surprised to see refusing service eventually added to their official campaign platform. They seem to think business (including government services) and personal rights are one in the same.
lol Talking about rights and you don't understand them. A persons private business is their property and all the rights that come with it.

No one has a right to anothers work in the private sector. If someone wants to discriminate, legally, in a free society, they should be free to do so. The free market and civil disobediance sorts things out extremely well.
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Old 07-13-2018, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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No it didn't. Legislation ended it. We the people weren't shooting government.
But doesn't legislation ending slavery make you a slave? I mean if the law says you can't own a slave and you really, really want one then you are being oppressed by the 'deep state', right?
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Old 07-13-2018, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Texas
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But doesn't legislation ending slavery make you a slave? I mean if the law says you can't own a slave and you really, really want one then you are being oppressed by the 'deep state', right?
It's always about the rights of the individual first and foremost. No doubt really, really want one is a close second but it's still second.
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Old 07-13-2018, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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It's always about the rights of the individual first and foremost. No doubt really, really want one is a close second but it's still second.
Right. Even us anarchist libertarians aren't arguing for total freedom, with no rules. That's never been the principle. We argue for individual rights to be respected and enforced universally, which means your rights end where someone else's begin.
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Old 07-13-2018, 05:03 PM
 
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You, me, & a lot of others have identified the fact that someone who does not understand the rights of the people he represents is not fit to hold office. Hopefully there will always be people who question bone-headedness.



SD state lawmaker: Businesses should be allowed to 'turn away people of color' | TheHill

(From link in OP ^)

Mr. Clark apparently got a tad overly excited when he heard about the SCOTUS ruling re: the baker in Colorado & admitted he "jumped in on it a little bit too fast".

Does he represent an entire district of business owners alone? A business is property. Was he elected to represent property or people? Is he aware of the Civil Rights Acts?

It's as if a number of American people have been brainwashed into believing people are properties, & properties are people when even a child recognizes this to be nonsensical.
are business owners not people? Does their self ownership vanish when opening a business? What right does a white customer have to a black businessman's labor, or vice versa?
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Old 07-13-2018, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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are business owners not people? Does their self ownership vanish when opening a business? What right does a white customer have to a black businessman's labor, or vice versa?
You cannot deny service to someone because of his or her race, color, religion, national origin or disability. In some states and cities, you also cannot discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation. If there is no state, federal or local law prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations against a particular group of people, then you can legally refuse to serve that group of people. That's the law and it really doesn't matter whether you like it or not. And philosophical arguments about slavery and the deep state are irrelevant and should be saved for the great debate forum or where ever people go to discuss that stuff.

And you don't have the right to anyone's labor so that's really a very strange argument.
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Old 07-13-2018, 07:23 PM
 
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Which should be limited to health and safety...not social engineering. There's no basis for that. Protecting people against hurt feelings is simply NOT within the government's charter.
Hurt feelings??!! Do you think that’s all this amounts to? I hope you are very young, because no one who had a parent who went through the civil rights era would ever say that.

Here in Las Vegas we have a historic black neighborhood known as West Las Vegas ( its not really west anymore, but it was back in the day.) The reason the area is all black is because it was the only area where black people were allowed to buy a home. Period. You’re a dentist, and want to live in a big house? Too bad, negro, you can’t live outside those red-lined boundaries.

This stuff happened, and not that long ago. One of my best friends had to go to a segregated prom, IN THE 1990s!!

As far as I’m concerned, it’s the business owners widdle hurt feelings that create the issue. To which I say, “ Suck it up, Buttercup” it’s the law for a reason.
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Old 07-13-2018, 07:49 PM
 
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You cannot deny service to someone because of his or her race, color, religion, national origin or disability.In some states and cities, you also cannot discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation. If there is no state, federal or local law prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations against a particular group of people, then you can legally refuse to serve that group of people. That's the law and it really doesn't matter whether you like it or not. And philosophical arguments about slavery and the deep state are irrelevant and should be saved for the great debate forum or where ever people go to discuss that stuff.

And you don't have the right to anyone's labor so that's really a very strange argument.


Cant have it both ways and thank you for validating my point
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