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Old 06-08-2018, 11:15 AM
 
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I just did my own calculations. In the past 10 years myself alone I have spent $35,000 on health insurance. Five years with employee insurance, and the last five years on Original Medicare.

I have not cost either a single dime. When I had food poisoning under private employee insurance, I had to pay the entire cost of treatment because it never met my deductible.

I have not used my five years of $5,000 premiums of Medicare. This includes ALL so called "freebees" preventive services.

I am, and have been, subsidizing all of the rest of you. Point being? I really DO NOT CARE. If I can help others who need the medical care, so be it. Certainly, my elderly husband and all his heart issues, has benefited from my lack of using Medicare. The "Well" subsidize the sick, regardless of age.
Bingo! Every day I do not have to use health insurance is a good day, and if my contributions are keeping someone else alive through medical treatment, I am still the lucky one in the entire transaction.
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Old 06-08-2018, 11:16 AM
 
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Wow...such a callous individual. I'm so glad I'm not as miserable as you. I'm also glad that a vast majority of people in this country disagree with your sentiments regarding healthcare.
Once more, nothing but ad hominem, never a rebuttal with fact based assertions.

If you folks didn't have fallacies, you'd be unable to speak.
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Old 06-08-2018, 11:16 AM
 
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ObamaCare has zero to do with how many people with medical education work anywhere - Rural areas are losing their hospital because of ObamaCare. They already lost what private insurance they had and are forced onto ObamaCare plans that don't have doctors or hospitals in their area.
Tell me, Kibby, what is an "Obamacare plan"? Do you know? Obviously not. Let me help you out here.

In my case it's Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

All the ACA did was establish marketplaces where people who had no other access to health insurance could get into group plans, just like you do through your employer. The insurance companies in the marketplaces are ones such as BCBS, Humana, Kaiser, UnitedHealth.

I bet you thought I had an insurance card that said "OBAMACARE HEALTH INSURANCE" on it, didn't you?

Good grief, the ignorance in this thread is off the wall.
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Old 06-08-2018, 11:17 AM
 
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ObamaCare has zero to do with how many people with medical education work anywhere - Rural areas are losing their hospital because of ObamaCare. They already lost what private insurance they had and are forced onto ObamaCare plans that don't have doctors or hospitals in their area.
That post may be one of the dumber things committed to the Internet.
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Old 06-08-2018, 11:17 AM
 
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Tell me, Kibby, what is an "Obamacare plan"? Do you know? Obviously not. Let me help you out here.

In my case it's Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

All the ACA did was establish marketplaces where people who had no other access to health insurance could get into group plans, just like you do through your employer. The insurance companies in the marketplaces are ones such as BCBS, Humana, Kaiser, UnitedHealth.

I bet you thought I had an insurance card that said "OBAMACARE HEALTH INSURANCE" on it, didn't you?

Good grief, the ignorance in this thread is off the wall.
BC/BS existed before ObamaCare. Long, long before it, actually.
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Old 06-08-2018, 11:18 AM
 
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Many people say they are prepared to die until they get right down to it.

Read a study years ago about people where the next step in their medical care was dialysis. The majority stated they would prefer to die than go through dialysis. Too painful, lower quality of life, ...

Guess what, when it got right down to it, nearly every one signed up for and got dialysis.

We have a relative who said she had accepted her diagnosis was was prepared to die. She didn't want to go through the cancer treatment, lose her hair, painful, put her kids through all that. She'd lived a good life and was ready to go.

Guess who has just finished her second round of chemo?
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Old 06-08-2018, 11:21 AM
 
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BC/BS existed before ObamaCare. Long, long before it, actually.
Well, duh! That's my point. Those of us who get our health insurance through the marketplace are using the exact same insurance companies as those who get theirs through their employers. There is no "Obamacare insurance." There's just group insurance through already established insurance companies that those of us with no other access can buy into.
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Old 06-08-2018, 11:21 AM
 
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Because YES the same applies. Actually more so because this is life or death. Toll the roads and do single payer instead. Don’t scream socialism while ignoring we have socialism and a mandate for schools and no one is screaming to end that.
I'm a citizen of a country that has single payer, and I've used it. Americans seriously don't know what they're missing...

It's incredibly freeing to be able to go into the clinic when necessary without so much as an appointment, scan your card (no co-pay), sit back down, be seen quickly (wait times were always longer for urgent care in the US) by the doctor (no unnecessary tests beforehand), and then confidently go home properly treated, and all done.

No nerve-racking wait for the mysterious bill in the mail to see how many thousands of dollars you might be slammed with, and how much...or little...your insurance feels like covering.

It's hard to describe how much less stressful healthcare is in words. You just have to experience the comparison. That doesn't mean it's perfect, but I'd take it ANY day over the disaster the US seems to be stuck with.
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Old 06-08-2018, 11:22 AM
 
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BC/BS existed before ObamaCare. Long, long before it, actually.
Yes. JAMS14 understands that, Kibby obviously does not.
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Old 06-08-2018, 11:27 AM
 
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That post may be one of the dumber things committed to the Internet.
But hardly the dumbest post on this forum.

Remember the folks who wanted to get rid of that dreadful ObamaCare but keep ACA because that helped them afford their health insurance?

Think of all the folks who are on Medicaid because of the ACA Medicaid expansion but who still don't have a clue this is due to ACA.

Do people not realize that ObamaCare is about exchanges where people can buy various types of insurance plans from various insurance companies? That one does not actually buy an ObamaCare insurance plan?
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