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Old 06-11-2018, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Contrary to what we hear from Bernie and other socialists. Most Nordic countries rank very high on the freedom index and are great countries for business.
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One of the most common fallacies of the new populists is to say that their model is the “Nordic” one and that those countries are successful examples of how “socialism works”. When I mentioned it to the Finnish Finance Minister Petteri Orpo at a recent ECR dinner, he could not believe it.

Expropriations, massive tax increases, appropriation of savings and subordinating the growth model to political control is what populists defend. The same as Venezuela, which all of them praised — from Bernie Sanders to Owen Jones or Corbyn and Chomsky — until it collapsed. Then they moved on to the fallacy of “the Nordic model”.

Do you know what interventionists forget about the Nordic nations?

They are leaders in the economic freedom index (Heritage) and ease of doing business according to the World Bank.

https://mises.org/wire/face-it-nordi...rent-socialist
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Old 06-11-2018, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Yes the Nordic countries are great examples of having a strong safety net caring for the poor and allowing capitalism to thrive. While they clearly aren't far left economies they are certainly much better places to live than the United States.
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Old 06-11-2018, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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They never were socialists.

And yet right wingers consider their policies as extremists.
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Old 06-11-2018, 11:43 AM
 
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Some people cannot figure out the difference between a socialist state with central planning and a welfare state. Another side effect of the false political dichotomy.
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Old 06-11-2018, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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OK then, we can adopt a Scandinavian-style social welfare system and we still won't be "socialist," plus we'll still "rank very high on the freedom index and [be a] great countr[y] for business." Fair enough?
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Old 06-11-2018, 11:47 AM
 
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They never were socialists.

And yet right wingers consider their policies as extremists.
By US Right Wing standards, they are off-the-charts. They would be considered FAR left if they were here...

I know this very personally as I imported products from Denmark, visited often and dealt on a personal level (they stayed at my house, I stayed at theirs) with Danes.

In a sense I found much of Denmark to be as I think the USA should....if we held to the General Welfare and Happiness of the People.
People can make their own decisions, but here is some of the Danish way:

1. Very high taxations - definitely 50% or more for high incomes.
2. 33-35 hour weeks, unions, full boat health care, maternity leave, 5 weeks (LAW) vacation in addition to many national holidays.
3. Liberal values in terms of tolerance (drugs, non-violent crimes, etc.)
4. Liberal values in the bedroom and in your mind (young drinking age, acceptance of the reality of sex, etc.)
5. National policies which span decades (as opposed to our short-term) in alternative energy, environmental efforts and much more. Righties here would call it "big government"....
6. Heroes are engineers...not a military based culture.

There is no comparison at all - between the Danish Way and the current (average) American Way.

Quick Comments on Heritage and Bernie. Heritage is a billionaire financed think tank that was purchased as a long term way to return more income to millionaires and billionaires. It it no a credible source for anything real....same as Cato (actually OWNED by the Kochs).....

Bernie talks of "Democratic Socialism" which IS largely descriptive of Scandinavia. This is a system where PEOPLE are first and corporations/lobbyist/politicians are there to serve The People.

This differs totally from the USA and our Mother (UK), which are more "class" societies where the very top end rule and the people suffer from their selfish policies.

Note - watching "The Vikings" makes me think that many cultures have to go through their war and inequality and other phases before they get to true peaceful civilization(s). The UK and USA, tho, appear to be somewhat stuck in the war and class phases...

If mankind survives, I expect the USA in 100 years to be where the Danes are now.
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Old 06-11-2018, 11:48 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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They never were socialists.

And yet right wingers consider their policies as extremists.
LOL you can find them calling some GOP members socialist.
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Old 06-11-2018, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Somewhere Out West
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They are what is referred to as democratic socialism. The graphic below demonstrates best what the difference is between that and socialism.
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Nordic countries are not socialist-democratic-socialist.jpg  
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Old 06-11-2018, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Nordic countries are not socialist
FOX News watching American mainstream Republicans are the only people who are confused about the "Nordic model".

The Nordic countries have strong social welfare systems (which cost money), mixed with free market economies.
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Old 06-11-2018, 11:51 AM
 
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OK then, we can adopt a Scandinavian-style social welfare system and we still won't be "socialist," plus we'll still "rank very high on the freedom index and [be a] great countr[y] for business." Fair enough?
Words are quite powerful. A billionaire lobby group (Heritage) calls something by a different name and then right wingers will embrace it.

"Get your Government Hands off my Medicare!".
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