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Old 06-29-2018, 11:19 AM
 
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So there's no need for publicly-funded (paid by several states' Medicaid programs) abortions. Make them private-pay. Set up charitable foundations for those with financial need. Let those who have no moral objection to abortion put their money where their mouths are.

Also, eliminate fetal homicide laws. Either anyone can kill a fetus or no one can. You can't have it both ways.
Your response is an attempt at diversion, not an answer to my question. How do you explain the dropping pregnancy rate?

 
Old 06-29-2018, 11:19 AM
 
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No, its just the selfishness of men wanting pleasure and not caring a wit about the result. Typical of the male.
That makes no sense. A woman can empower herself by making sure that she's using contraceptives if she wants to avoid pregnancy. Women are NOT helpless creatures subject to men's whims and the results of such. Good grief! How incredibly repulsively sexist.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 11:22 AM
 
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Your response is an attempt at diversion, not an answer to my question. How do you explain the dropping pregnancy rate?
Hopefully, women are becoming more empowered and FINALLY protecting themselves via those 14,000+ Public Health Department Family Planning Clinics located throughout the US. ENOUGH of this "Oh, the poor little woman... She's too helpless to prevent pregnancy all on her own." The attitude SEVERAL of you have expressed in this thread. What a repulsively sexist attitude.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 11:24 AM
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Contraceptive failure rates are not 50+%.

More Black babies are aborted in New York City than born | PolitiFact

Contraceptives are available at the exact same clinics at which those women get their abortions.
Not many, as 14,000+ Public Health Department Family Planning Clinics are functioning throughout the US.

I can pull articles that reflect the loss of options of woman just like you an:
https://www.texasobserver.org/family...m-rural-texas/
4 facilities in Oklahoma, 3 in Kentucky, 1 in Idaho, 2 in South Carolina get away from the coastal urban cities and the available option almost disappear in some cases.

You failed to answer the third point of my post, you seem to be an advocate who wants this choice eliminated. How come there are so many kids awaiting adoption if all these families would love to provide an unwanted child a home?

Maybe because only new white children are wanted and a child of mixed parentage or one with a developmental/health issue are not desired???
 
Old 06-29-2018, 11:27 AM
 
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I can pull articles that reflect the loss of options of woman just like you an:
https://www.texasobserver.org/family...m-rural-texas/
4 facilities in Oklahoma, 3 in Kentucky, 1 in Idaho, 2 in South Carolina get away from the coastal urban cities and the available option almost disappear in some cases.
Would this not be the perfect opportunity for the left to put their money where their mouths are and privately fund charitable family planning clinics? Why won't they do so?
 
Old 06-29-2018, 11:28 AM
 
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Hopefully, women are becoming more empowered and FINALLY protecting themselves via those 14,000+ Public Health Department Family Planning Clinics located throughout the US. ENOUGH of this "Oh, the poor little woman... She's too helpless to prevent pregnancy all on her own." The attitude SEVERAL of you have expressed in this thread. What a repulsively sexist attitude.
Ah, so you do agree that improved access to contraception just might be the reason behind the decreasing pregnancy rate. So maybe the solution to what you believe is a crisis might be to continue promoting and improving the availability and affordability of long-acting contraception rather than worrying about abortion. Carrot, rather than stick. Support the programs that provide products like the IUD to more women, and it will take the need for most abortions with it, leaving those few, mostly agreed-upon exception cases, like those that involve fetal or maternal health issues, to the abortion providers.

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Old 06-29-2018, 11:37 AM
 
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People who claim "The Right is salivating" over abortion have no idea what they are talking about.
I don't care a bit which way the argument goes, although I am pro-choice. And I would never, under any circumstances, vote for a Democrat.


If Roe/Wade is overturned it will go back to the states.
So you can go ahead and discard all your old coat hangers; there won't be a market.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 11:42 AM
 
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Ah, so you do agree that improved access to contraception just might be the reason behind the decreasing pregnancy rate.
There isn't improved access. Access already existed prior to Obamacare. The same PP facilities that provide abortions provide contraceptives, and there are 14,000+ Public Health department Family Planning Clinics located throughout the US. If women are finally becoming more empowered to actually take control of their fertility via means other than using abortion as birth control, that's a GOOD thing.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Born in L.A. - NYC is Second Home - Rustbelt is Home Base
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OP, can't say yes or no.

But at least the gov will not be complicit in the murdering of tens of millions of innocent babies.

That is the purview of the dems...whose murder camps are hopefully on their last legs.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 11:49 AM
 
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There isn't improved access. Access already existed prior to Obamacare. The same PP facilities that provide abortions provide contraceptives, and there are 14,000+ Public Health department Family Planning Clinics located throughout the US. If women are finally becoming more empowered to actually take control of their fertility via means other than using abortion as birth control, that's a GOOD thing.
But WHY do you think that's happening and how can we support it? If not improved access to long-acting contraceptives, what else has changed?
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