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No, that's why I'm asking. Why is abortion preferable to obtaining contraceptives at the exact same Planned Parenthood facilities (to prevent the pregnancy in the first place) for so many women?
I really don't have a good answer for your question, but I will point out that the abortion rate is falling, and while advocates of restricting abortion access believe it's their efforts that have reduced abortion, others have proposed that the other factors may be involved. To wit
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Although it’s impossible to attribute the decline to a single factor, the data shows that better contraception — combined with a bad economy and a falling teen pregnancy rate — is largely responsible. Abortion rates did fall in many of the states with new restrictions, but they also dropped in others, such as New York and Connecticut, where access to abortion is relatively unobstructed. In fact, some of the states with the biggest declines — Hawaii, Nevada and New Mexico — have enacted no new abortion laws in recent years, suggesting that something other than reduced access is spurring the trend.
And there's also this
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But there’s a final explanation: So many women are able to successfully avoid pregnancy at least partly because of the Affordable Care Act’s contraception mandate, which took effect in 2012 and minimizes the up-front costs for highly effective, long-lasting forms of birth control such as the intrauterine device (IUD) or hormonal implant. The number of women using the most effective forms of birth control jumped to a high of 12 percent by the end of last year. New research shows that women who live in states with less abortion access are more likely than women who don’t to use a contraceptive like the IUD. “There’s been a push to expand the IUD and implant to women who were using contraception ineffectively in the past because long-acting birth control had big up-front costs, and they couldn’t afford it,” Ananat said. Because women who use contraception incorrectly or inconsistently account for 41 percent of unintended pregnancies, even a small shift to highly effective methods of contraception could have a disproportionate effect on the abortion rate.
If FiveThirtyEight is correct in its assessment, then it would seem that more women are taking advantage of those birth control options at Planned Parenthood and other providers.
Nice deflection. You get the “baffle them with blsht” award.
When there’s millions in taxpayer dollars being funneled back through the planned parenthood lobbyists to democrat politicians, there is a political problem masquerading as a personal decision.
And personally I have no opinion on abortion. Whoever is having the abortion has to pick up the intellectual tab for it in one form or another.
They should also pick up the financial tab for it, or seek charitable funding in cases of financial need. The left talks a big game about supporting abortion. Let's see them set up private charitable foundations to fund them and let them put their money where their mouths are.
New York has a high rate of abortions because their Medicaid pays for them (same is true in many other states). The problem with that, other than the increased abortion rates, is the fact that they use taxpayer funding to do so. That's a violation of some state taxpayers' First Amendment Rights.
I agree it won’t actually eliminate abortions, but I disagree why. States will be able to still permit them, and there will be plenty of states that do. Now whether or not abortion is permitted in a state will start to work the way that should have been taking place all along based on the constitution.
For the record, I am not anti-choice. I am anti-federal hijacking of states’ rights.
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Let the states decide what they want as was intended.
exactly right guys, well said.
when reagan was put in office, and he put up a supreme court nominee, one of the first things the left was screeching about was the end of roe v wade, well folks that never happened. and every time since, when a republican put up a scotus nominee, the left ALWAYS starts off screeching about how roe v wade will be overturned, and how abortion on demand is going away from nice clean clinics to the back alleys, and women are going to start dropping like flies, etc. etc. etc.
well let the left screech all they want, they are only showing their true colors. the reality is that abortion isnt going away, but if an abortion case does reach the scotus, chances are any rulings will be about states rights and the states ability to decide what is legal in the state and what isnt.
something else the left has been screeching about since kennedy retired is that somehow we are going to lose freedoms with the next justice, and that too is further from the truth. with another gorsuch we get closer to the constitution.
and dont forget that trump may be nominating two more justices to the court before his term is over. breyer and ginsburg are also getting old as they are in their 80s also. how much longer can they continue on the court?
It shouldn't. There are 14,000+ Public Health Department Family Planning Clinics located nationwide that provide free or very low-cost contraceptives. Why aren't women using them?
Don't you mean: "Why aren't women AND men using them?" Men are 50% responsible for all the pregnancies in the world---sometimes more in the case of rapes and incest, but people---like you---don't think men have to take any responsibility to prevent them from happening.
Don't you mean: "Why aren't women AND men using them?" Men are 50% responsible for all the pregnancies in the world---sometimes more in the case of rapes and incest, but people---like you---don't think men have to take any responsibility to prevent them from happening.
But they are. The pregnancy rate is dropping in all parts of the nation and taking the abortion rate with it.
I really don't have a good answer for your question, but I will point out that the abortion rate is falling, and while advocates of restricting abortion access believe it's their efforts that have reduced abortion, others have proposed that the other factors may be involved. To wit
If FiveThirtyEight is correct in its assessment, then it would seem that more women are taking advantage of those birth control options at Planned Parenthood and other providers.
Free or low-cost contraceptives have been available at PPs and the 14,000+ Public Health Department Family Planning Clinics located nationwide pre-Obamacare. Obamacare didn't add anything more than already existed as far as helping women with contraceptive services and supplies costs. But still, we have a lot of women relying on abortion as a birth control method instead of using contraceptives to prevent the need for an abortion. Maybe it's just an issue of lack of personal responsibility.
There is something to be said for a moral standard, especially when it comes to murder.
A moral standard can be guidelines a person follows which is internal to YOU and not to others. A moral standard can also be a behavior that society finds acceptable. What we have today is considered "abortions legal under certain circumstances." Those circumstances range from first trimester abortions with no questions asked to 2nd and 3rd term abortions with restrictions. Society as a whole, in this country, finds this definition of abortion acceptable. If polls mean anything, only 18% of people say abortion should be illegal in all circumstances. Source: Gallup - google "poll abortion" - first entry
Who is society? People. 82% of people find it acceptable. What is unacceptable is legislating women's reproductive organs. Therefore, society finds you immoral. Thankfully, you have your own moral standards that begin and end with your own body. Control what you do, not what others do.
It’s got to be hard to be a good loyal conservative, I mean you got; abortion, immigration, gays, things that have been going on unencumbered since the dawn of civilization and mankind but every two years someone convinces conservatives that they are going to be the ones to end it. IMO worst case scenario is abortion will become like marijuana. Everyone who wants it has always had access to it.
Free or low-cost contraceptives have been available at PPs and the 14,000+ Public Health Department Family Planning Clinics located nationwide pre-Obamacare. Obamacare didn't add anything more than already existed as far as helping women with contraceptive services and supplies costs. But still, we have a lot of women relying on abortion as a birth control method instead of using contraceptives to prevent the need for an abortion. Maybe it's just an issue of lack of personal responsibility.
So you've got nothing to say about the pregnancy rate dropping and taking the abortion rate with it, just that we still have "a lot of women relying on abortion as a birth control method instead of using contraceptives." That's pretty vague and a weak argument. What's your explanation for the dropping pregnancy rate in all parts of the country, even though as you said, "free or low-cost contraceptives have been available at PPs...pre-Obamacare?"
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