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Originally Posted by ottomobeale
The Germans can tell you about fighting a 2 front war.
Taking on China and Europe at the same time is foolish.
What I'd like to hear is since trade wars generally wind up putting tariffs on different products sold between two countries, is any attempt made to decide how crucial to each respective country the products are and what the results of those tariffs may be each or is it simply done as a matter of spite?
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Originally Posted by ottomobeale
Wasn't Harley going to move anyway for Europe?
They also have a wholly owned subsidiary in India manufacturing motorcycles.
But the way it works in Trumplandia is:
When Trump or a family member makes something in another country using cheap labor and sells that something in America it's 'good business'!
When Ford makes cars in Mexico or anyone else makes something in another country using cheap labor and sells it in America it's UN-AMERICAN!
What I'd like to hear is since trade wars generally wind up putting tariffs on different products sold between two countries, is any attempt made to decide how crucial to each respective country the products are and what the results of those tariffs may be each or is it simply done as a matter of spite?
They also have a wholly owned subsidiary in India manufacturing motorcycles.
But the way it works in Trumplandia is:
When Trump or a family member makes something in another country using cheap labor and sells that something in America it's 'good business'!
When Ford makes cars in Mexico or anyone else makes something in another country using cheap labor and sells it in America it's UN-AMERICAN!
My hunch is that Trump did no due diligence on this matter at all.
You either sell in a country or you do not sell in a country. The use of the word "about" in this case could be replaced with approximately. Approximately, or about, is used to illustrate a rounding of the number. Countries are entities that can not be divided, you cannot have a partial country amount.
"About 35 countries..." is a simple guess; not a reporting of fact.
You either sell in a country or you do not sell in a country. The use of the word "about" in this case could be replaced with approximately. Approximately, or about, is used to illustrate a rounding of the number. Countries are entities that can not be divided, you cannot have a partial country amount.
"About 35 countries..." is a simple guess; not a reporting of fact.
You are deflecting yourself with details. In other words, you are missing the forest for the trees. The real problem is there is a problem for dairy farmers in WI.
Yep, he lies or exaggerates too. No argument from me there. My comment wasn't about Trump though. It's about lazy reporting. "About 35 countries..." That should have been easy to pin down.
Maybe you should see someone about your neurosis if everything someone says has to include a Trump retort from you.
people often use "about" precisely because they will be nitpicked as to the exact number.
So rather than get bogged down in a side show as the the exact number, the writer says "about" and avoids the trap.
But back on topic, WI is one of a "number" of states getting hurt by Trump's trade wars.
China , CAN, Mex, EU are getting cosy, while Trump's "taxes" and his bile are making the lives of both blue and red Americans a lot more difficult.
Farmers here saw a 20% loss overnight on their soybean crops. On a local political talk show they called in saying that they believe Trump when he says that this will be over soon and will fix the trade imbalance.
They underestimate China, they don’t need us nearly as much as we need them. But they’ll continue to defend Trump, likely even after they lose the farm.
You are deflecting yourself with details. In other words, you are missing the forest for the trees. The real problem is there is a problem for dairy farmers in WI.
Like I said, I wasn't trying to deflect from your point. Unfortunately, there is a deeper history here than the articles portent.
Yes, there is a problem. They responded to a market increase and now the market has decreased. The tariffs will have an increased effect on that market decrease. I will have to do my part to support my fellow Wisconsinites and increase my cheese consumption.
I do not pretend to be a business expert. However, we have a trade deficit that is creating a drain upon our economy. We are enriching other nations while our own manufacturing is struggling (if not outright dying.) The trade deficit is a chronic issue. The trade war is a short term issue that if successfully negotiated will bring long term profitability. So yes, if we focus on the immediate, we will only see very specific localized issues. If we focus on the long term, hopefully, we will see at least a balance if not a minor gain.
I do not know if Trump is the right person to wage that war. He appears to be reactionary rather than have a long term view. I think the war needed to be waged. I am sure there were political reasons for setting the trade as it was. However, at this point it has become toxic to our country. We can talk about global economy but we all live locally. Our boat is not floating with the tide, it's sinking.
Farmers here saw a 20% loss overnight on their soybean crops. On a local political talk show they called in saying that they believe Trump when he says that this will be over soon and will fix the trade imbalance.
They underestimate China, they don’t need us nearly as much as we need them. But they’ll continue to defend Trump, likely even after they lose the farm.
Nope--We really dont need China--they do need us since their economy is way more dependent on exports than the US.
A cargo ship full of Johnny Walker black label can be delivered anywhere in the world.
A cargo ship full of plastic dog doo would probably not be accepted anywhere...
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