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Old 07-17-2018, 03:34 PM
 
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You've got 30 years on me and you're talking about never seeing a president fold before a foreign leader?
If that isn't alzheimers setting in.

You don't even want me to speak of what I found embarrassing or humiliating over past administrations.
Nope, never saw the like. Never have I seen a president disparage his own intelligence community while singing the praises of the KGB, all the while standing right next to the ex-KGB head himself.

Every president has defended America, especially when they are on foreign soil and in the presence of a known adversary. This kind of traitorous behavior, kowtowing to an adversary right after it is shown they interfered in our elections--something even Trump admits is true--is completely without precedent.
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Old 07-17-2018, 03:36 PM
 
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Department of Justice last week indicted the 12 Russians for hacking American emails and voter databases to help Trump’s campaign. In fact, the indictments show that on July 26, 2017, the same day Trump publicly urged Russia to “find the 30,000 emails that are missing” from Hillary Clinton’s server, the Russian hackers – who already had stolen data from the Democratic National Committee and other sources – actually did go after Clinton’s emails.


And though Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said Friday that these latest indictments don’t name American citizens, he noted the Russians “corresponded with several Americans during the course of the conspiracy through the internet.”

The Justice Department’s career professional prosecutors found probable cause to believe these crimes were committed against our nation.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-bl...vestigation-to

DUH!
“Rosenstein, who said he had briefed President Donald Trump on the indictment, said there was no allegation that the hacking altered any vote count or that any Americans were knowingly in communication with any of the Russian officers.”

Did Russia interfere in our elections? Yes. No votes were altered, we had a legitimate election. The only reason it is being obsessed over is because Hillary lost. US does it too (Obama in Israel’s elections). We need to protect ourselves better from outside interference so it doesn’t happen again.
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Old 07-17-2018, 03:45 PM
 
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There is a lot of space between "being a dick" to Putin and not declaring that you take Putin's word over months-long investigations by US intelligence services. He could have said nothing. He could have said that the US will not tolerate meddling and that he and Putin discussed it and have agreed that any such activity must stop. He could have said many other things. Instead, he decided to "be a dick" to the US intelligence community.
But is that considered an act of treason?
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Old 07-17-2018, 03:45 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Nope, never saw the like. Never have I seen a president disparage his own intelligence community while singing the praises of the KGB, all the while standing right next to the ex-KGB head himself.

Every president has defended America, especially when they are on foreign soil and in the presence of a known adversary. This kind of traitorous behavior, kowtowing to an adversary right after it is shown they interfered in our elections--something even Trump admits is true--is completely without precedent.
Adversary? For what?! Because your corrupt POS candidate lost?
Was Russia in on the fix for 9/11 or something to be granted adversary status?
Cold War ended a long time ago.
Berlin Wall fell when I was a toddler. Grow up. Get over it. Find a candidate that isn't anti gun pro socialism and taxation and pro globalism. Or one that doesn't suck in general and try again. But you can't do that can you? No. Bad enough you hippies spawned this BS in politics as it was.

I'll say it again.

It happened on your teams watch if you want to make such a fit over it. Go after the previous admin if you really want to hold folks accountable. That's who was in charge. Not Trump.

Our minds were made up long before election debates even started and you can't accept it. We don't want your politics. We don't want your politicians. We spoke at the polls. You can't handle it. You can't accept that simple fact. So draft all the boogey men you want. Believe we were under some mind control or manipulation or that our votes were bought. It didn't happen.
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Old 07-17-2018, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Chris Wallace set the trap and Putin fell right in it. Ironic that it took a faux news reporter to pull it off.
Oh, a CNN reporter? (faux news)

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This is the beginning of the end for trump for real this time.
Oh, sure. His "end" has been predicted since mid-2016!
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Old 07-17-2018, 03:47 PM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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Pfft it isn't a logical fallacy. You ever back a person into a corner? Literally?
If Trump were to keep pushing and pushing bringing sanctions after sanctions and pushing policy after policy that would have a negative impact on Russia at the global scale... what do you suppose would become of it? Backlash right? That's escalation to provoke war.

You guys are terrified of Putin as is and speak of how ruthless he is, Yet screeched like idiots over Norks "ability" to strike mainland USA with an unsophisticated ICBM.
Yet have no qualms about messing with a country that actually does have the capability to hit main land USA with a nuke.
You should go back and read and see just who was clutching their pearls over NK.
Then there is this:

Putin flexed nuclear muscle but the West refuses to recognize a Russian threat | TheHill
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Old 07-17-2018, 03:57 PM
 
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Only a brainwashed cultist thinks the KGB is our friend.

Trump has a KGBFF.
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Old 07-17-2018, 03:58 PM
 
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Pfft it isn't a logical fallacy. You ever back a person into a corner? Literally?
If Trump were to keep pushing and pushing bringing sanctions after sanctions and pushing policy after policy that would have a negative impact on Russia at the global scale... what do you suppose would become of it? Backlash right? That's escalation to provoke war.

You guys are terrified of Putin as is and speak of how ruthless he is, Yet screeched like idiots over Norks "ability" to strike mainland USA with an unsophisticated ICBM.
Yet have no qualms about messing with a country that actually does have the capability to hit main land USA with a nuke.
Yea, it absolutely is - not my fault you aren't equipped to recognize it.

Frame an argument in terms of 2 binary outcomes as if they were the only possible courses of action, then make one obviously flawed. That's a false dichotomy, you get bonus points though because NO ONE is actually advocating the binary outcome you worded to be flawed, so you get to add a straw man fallacy to the mix. Pathetic.
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Old 07-17-2018, 04:59 PM
 
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Trump = treason
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Old 07-17-2018, 05:03 PM
 
Location: USA
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Trump = treason
Exactly. He's a traitor, really. There is simply no excuse for his nonsense. Either he's completely nuts, in which case he should be removed from office for obvious reasons, or he's obviously been compromised by Russia, in which case he should be removed from office, investigated, and tried for his crimes.

The far-right's defense of Putin's Poodle (Trump) is beyond laughable. The King in Orange is completely wrong in every way on this matter and is willing to happily lick the boots of a tyrant and spit in the face of his own nation and everything it represents... and knuckle-dragging Trumpers still praise him while wearing MAGA hats and American flag shirts. They just don't get it.

If any other president did half the nonsense Trump has done, they'd be finished by now, and if Obama or Hillary even laughingly suggested doing things like Trump has done, they'd be buried under conspiracy theories and investigations. But when Trump just sells out and rolls over to praise America's enemy? Oh, that's ok!

Anyone who continues to support Trump at this point is basically supporting an enemy of our nation.
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