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Both authors Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian are members of the right wing think tank the Hoover Institution. That in itself taints their opinions. Here is additional information that Cole and Ohanian are politically biased: https://uneasymoney.com/2011/09/26/m...at-depression/
Here is a quote from the above article: "So when Cole and Ohanian assert that recovery from the Great Depression started in July 1932, and go on to say that the recovery took place during a period of significant deflation, it is hard to avoid the conclusion that they are twisting the facts to suit their own ideological predilection. The misrepresentation perpetrated by Cole and Ohanian only gets worse when they describe what happened during the period of true recovery, April through July 1933. Contrary to their assertion, deflation stopped in February 1933, the PPI hitting its low point of 10.3. Prices began to rise as soon as FDR suspended the gold standard shortly after taking office in March (not June as Cole and Ohanian mistakenly assert) 1933, the PPI rising to 11.9 in July (an increase of about 14% over February) when industrial production hit a peak of 5.95, 57% above the March low point."
Proof provided.
Please don't come back with any more distortions of real history to support your libertarian (anarchist) agenda.
Not quite:
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"Though Lee Ohanian has been attacked by some on the left for tarnishing FDR’s legacy, even Roosevelt said later that some of his policies harmed the economy."
You continue to show your ignorance of the homeless and the poor. There are many reasons people are homeless being laid off, mental problems, being physically disabled, not having a good upbringing but we know you do not care you just will throw out blame not matter what evidence people show you.
I see you've bought whole hog into the "perpetual victim" mentality. That's exactly why some people never overcome the same obstacles many of us face.
No, no hiding behind the “community”. Theft is theft, and communities that sanction and excuse theft are agents of evil, not good. A moral community respects the individual rights of its citizens, and features voluntary cooperation and asking for help, not demanding it. Communities that mandate redistribution of the property of some citizens for the unearned and undeserved benefit of other citizens are not communities at all, but are mobs of thieves and they can go straight to Hell. Such “communities” be damned.
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Originally Posted by Marc Paolella
Neither bad luck or bad character excuse theft. No amount of sob stories will justify or legitimize the theft and reassignment of private property. You want help? Ask for it. You don’t get to demand it or use force to steal it.
Marc,
This is not theft. People have been promised trickle down dollars since Paul Volcker was chairmen of the FED. Since the rich laugh all the way to the bank with the scam they call "Supply Side Economics", trickle down economics needed to be legislated. Rises in the minimum wage is trickle down, but legislated trickle down.
Over the last 30 years economic disparity between the very rich and everyone else has increased. As this continues you will see larger numbers of political candidates in inner city areas declare themselves as socialist. Unless large numbers of people who think like you turn against the one tenth of 1% who are making unbelievable amounts of money, people like you and I will pay higher prices for everything.
Until said community member looses their job and house and now the rest of the community uses the police force to harass them because they exist on the street or are sleeping in the woods.
A great majority of people that tout taxation is theft are the same people that support draconian laws against the homeless. If you want to see moral bankruptcy you might want to look in the mirror if you are voting for policy or candidates that support "crack downs" on the homeless. Double plus if you are a business owner or manager that put them in that situation to start with via a lay off.
Oh yes. Absolutely favor removing vagrants and loiterers from spaces they do not own and should not be occupying. I am OK with a bum quietly sitting against a tree in a park, provided he is not part of a collection of said bums. But the aggressive vagrants who are in your face? Rikers Island please.
There is no "losing their job and house". That's a bull$hit trope. Anyone capable of getting to the point in life where they own a home and have a good job should have already saved or should already be saving 3 years of income in case of unemployment. It's not that hard. Let's outline the basic steps that even a retard could follow.
Buy or rent a home you can afford such that 10-20% of your net pay goes to savings and you can still comfortably pay the mortgage or the rent for the home. Buy smaller and in a worse location if necessary. Rent with roommates if necessary. Saving 3 years of income for emergencies should be a primary life step. Once the 3 years are saved, which is basic common sense, you will never lose your job and be homeless. Or have problems with "food security". Or any of the other leftist sob story nonsense that is usually trotted out to justify theft and redistribution.
Which, by the way, the left doesn't care about homelessness or food security or cheeeeeeldren. They care MOST about envy, and punishment of the good for being the good. That's their dirty little secret. Too bad I know it and am publishing it. The cat is out of the bag.
This is not theft. People have been promised trickle down dollars since Paul Volcker was chairmen of the FED. Since the rich laugh all the way to the bank with the scam they call "Supply Side Economics", trickle down economics needed to be legislated. Rises in the minimum wage is trickle down, but legislated trickle down.
Over the last 30 years economic disparity between the very rich and everyone else has increased. As this continues you will see larger numbers of political candidates in inner city areas declare themselves as socialist. Unless large numbers of people who think like you turn against the one tenth of 1% who are making unbelievable amounts of money, people like you and I will pay higher prices for everything.
Theft or not, it's reality.
I don't care about the 1%. People move in and out of the 1% every day, it's not a cabal. People can make whatever they are worth, and if it ends up that the most talented and driven people end up with most of the money? That's perfectly natural and just. Regardless of the fabulous wealth that very talented people can amass, any regular person in the United States can achieve a good job, a house or apartment, and a pleasant lifestyle. Anyone can do that. Simply finish high school, don't have kids until you are able to comfortably support them, or at all, don't be a drunk or a druggie, be pleasant and helpful to those in your sphere of influence, learn a trade, get a job, be happy. You won't be rich, that is reserved only for the best among us. But you will be content and effective and comfortable. Stop looking at and envying others. Don't steal from them, and don't allow anyone to steal from you. Ask for help if you need it, provide help if someone asks you for it and you can supply it. In short, be a mensch.
The politicians "placate" to low wage workers because they are the VAST majority of people. The low wage workers ARE the electorate. Somewhere around 80% of the USA population are losers in capitalism to some degree (obviously some worse than others).
Since these are state and city elections you have no leg to stand on, the decisions of the electorate is states rights. IF you dont like it leave NY.
I realize automation is every wanna be slave holders wet dream (since they cant own slaves), but sorry to say automation is EXPENSIVE and will remain so for the foreseeable future. I get that hateful business owners want to pay peanuts to prop up their sorry excuse for a buisenss plan and then tout automation in some kind of spoiled child like tanturm but automation is expensive and onerous to implement.
Thats why there are only like 2 fully automated mcdonalds, its simply proof of concept, just because its technically possible does not make it a good buisenss idea.
As an engineer I personally love automation and controls, but from a technical perspective not because I get off on watching people die on the streets due to lack of income from a lay off.
I would not be surprised if there was a special dark net youtube channel where rich people can pay to watch people die of expose on the streets due to lack of resources. Pop some pop corn and watch the "dirty bums" freeze to death.
I don’t think 80% of those in NYC work min wage jobs .
Calling a business owner that provides employment and a paycheck that allows them to eat and survive is pretty disgusting .
These weird sadistic ideas just live in your head . Small business owners don’t want their employees to suffer or treat them like slaves . Do you even know any small business owners ? I’m sure some are bad people just like there are min wage workers too that are bad peoples and abuse their kids or commit awful crimes .
Also as an engineer min wage workers probably view you as “the rich “ .
I don't care about the 1%. People move in and out of the 1% every day, it's not a cabal. People can make whatever they are worth, and if it ends up that the most talented and driven people end up with most of the money? That's perfectly natural and just. Regardless of the fabulous wealth that very talented people can amass, any regular person in the United States can achieve a good job, a house or apartment, and a pleasant lifestyle. Anyone can do that. Simply finish high school, don't have kids until you are able to comfortably support them, or at all, don't be a drunk or a druggie, be pleasant and helpful to those in your sphere of influence, learn a trade, get a job, be happy. You won't be rich, that is reserved only for the best among us. But you will be content and effective and comfortable. Stop looking at and envying others. Don't steal from them, and don't allow anyone to steal from you. Ask for help if you need it, provide help if someone asks you for it and you can supply it. In short, be a mensch.
Yeah I agree . So many act like we have a caste system in this country . As if working a minimum wage job means you are stuck in that life forever . Even being homeless isn’t a life sentence . There is a popular sandwich chain in CA with 45 locations and I heard a story the other day about the owner . He failed at a lot of things and at one point was homeless and now he has 45 stores none of them franchised .
Of course one example of many .
I agree that being envious is always a bad thing and doesn’t lead to anything positive .
Here is the beauty living in this free country - you don’t have to buy their products or services.
I have no idea what your point is
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Originally Posted by Tonyafd
They call it libertarian. When you take a closer look at libertarian-ism it's profiteering from anarchy.They are in a position to increase their profits in the absence of laws. Every expense becomes a crushing expense. Every law is a Fascist burden.
Just more propaganda from the right wing.
I like that phrasing...profiteering from anarchy. It's just pseudo-intellectuals trying to hide the fact that they just want to exploit people.
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Originally Posted by ALackOfCreativity
Waitstaff at restaurants above fast casual would end up worse off. You're turning what is a good source of money for young people looking to pay for school or their 20's in the city or at nicer places an outright career into just another minimum wage job (albeit at a higher minimum). You're right (for nicer places, not for the lower end), but the formerly tipped staff wouldn't exactly be thanking you.
Regardless of your stance is on tipping, the point is that restaurants can afford to pay their workers higher wages. They choose not to by picking a business model that passes in the responsibility to the consumer.
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Originally Posted by Marc Paolella
Absolutely. As long as the child is old enough to be useful, let them work with parental permission. I was working at 10 years old. I LOVED IT! And sex trafficking is absolutely fine, as long as it is between consenting adults. So yes, child labor is excellent. And prostitution is nobody’s business. The State has no business regulating adult sexual commerce.
I'm glad you're finally owning up to your depravity. But just so we can flesh out the depths of it... since renting out children for work is awesome and sex work is legitimate, what's the barrier to stop parents from renting out their 16 y/o to brothels?
should already be saving 3 years of income in case of unemployment. It's not that hard. Let's outline the basic steps that even a retard could follow.
Buy or rent a home you can afford such that 10-20% of your net pay goes to savings and you can still comfortably pay the mortgage or the rent for the home. Buy smaller and in a worse location if necessary. Rent with roommates if necessary. Saving 3 years of income for emergencies should be a primary life step. Once the 3 years are saved, which is basic common sense, you will never lose your job and be homeless.
3 years of salary saved @ 10-20% savings rate... Lol. I feel like you're referring to something you obviously didn't understand.
I have yet to see anybody still make the minimum wage and be perpetually “poor” if they do the following:
1. Show up on time.
2. Do what’s been told.
4. Obey the law.
5. Live within their means including not having kids that they can’t afford.
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That's exactly why some people never overcome the same obstacles many of us face.
