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Old 07-22-2018, 11:41 AM
 
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Since when?
read up on it =https://www.google.ca/search?ei=WcFU....0.jPMrp1RsrCw

 
Old 07-22-2018, 12:27 PM
 
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OK - temperatures are up, we can agree on that.

What is the next step -- what can the world do to combat this problem? What is China going to do about it, what about India, what about 100 other developing places? Are you going to tell them that they can't have their automobiles?
Yup, those "secondary markets" for Americans corporations and their products, that came in place before any Trump - what anyone is going to do about them now?
These kind of fires ( and temps in the 100 Fahrenheit) took place in Russia 6 years ago, but no one took a note of it? It matters only when it happens in Sweden then?
I took note of the problem when pelicans landed in Siberia for example, on their way to Africa ( or wherever they were flying.)
I mean when you see a flock of fluffy pelicans landing somewhere in Siberian village, because they think it's warm enough to land there, you know there is a problem.

Should I hold Trump responsible for that, among other things?
I need to give it a thought.
 
Old 07-22-2018, 12:30 PM
 
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Most Republicans don’t want to hear a word about Climate change. They aren’t allowed to talk about it in front of trump.
 
Old 07-22-2018, 12:40 PM
 
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"An Inconvenient Truth" should have been named "A Convenient Lie".
AlGore said he had to exaggerate to get people's attention.

He also needed his heated concrete driveway in TN " just in case" he was wrong.
 
Old 07-22-2018, 12:48 PM
 
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Earth goes through natural cycles. But denying climate change based on this is like saying "Cigs dont cause cancer because people get cancer anyways".

The climate change(natural), happens over geologic time allowing life to adapt. Millions of years.

There have been events like super volcanoes that cause mass extinctions.


Now there hasn't been a super volcano in years.

Volcanic emissions put out 65-319 million tons of CO2. This includes hot springs.
Humans released 29 BILLION tons.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZB1YtQtHjE

From the vid.

Earth goes through natural cycles. But denying climate change based on this is like saying "Cigs dont cause cancer because people get cancer anyways".

The climate change(natural), happens over geologic time allowing life to adapt. Millions of years.

There have been events like super volcanoes that cause mass extinctions.


Now there hasn't been a super volcano in years.

Volcanic emissions put out 65-319 million tons of CO2. This includes hot springs.
Humans released 29 BILLION tons.



CO2 is good for plants. But what happens if you have too much of something?

CO2 will increase temperatures, and thus kill many plants anyways. This will also cause droughts which then kill more plants that require more water.

Here:
https://www.skepticalscience.com/Inc...or-plants.html

https://science.gu.se/english/News/N...nts.cid1309352

1. The worse problem, by far, is that increasing CO2 will increase temperatures throughout the Earth. This will make deserts and other types of dry land grow. While deserts increase in size, other eco-zones, whether tropical, forest or grassland will try to migrate towards the poles. However, soil conditions will not necessarily favor their growth even at optimum temperatures.

2. CO2 enhanced plants will need extra water both to maintain their larger growth as well as to compensate for greater moisture evaporation as the heat increases. Where will it come from? Rainwater is not sufficient for current agriculture and the aquifers they rely on are running dry throughout the Earth (1, 2).

On the other hand, as predicted by Global Warming, we are receiving intense storms with increased rain throughout of the world. One would think that this should be good for agriculture. Unfortunately, when rain falls down very quickly, it does not have time to soak into the ground. Instead, it builds up above the soil then floods causing damage to the crops. The water also floods into creeks, then rivers, and finally out into the ocean carrying off large amounts of soil and fertilizer.

3. Unlike Nature, our way of agriculture does not self fertilize by recycling all dead plants, animals and their waste. Instead we have to be constantly producing artificial fertilizers from natural gas which will eventually start running out. By increasing the need for such fertilizer you will shorten the supply of natural gas creating competition between the heating of our homes and the growing of our food. This will drive the prices of both up.

4. Too high a concentration of CO2 causes a reduction of photosynthesis in certain of plants. There is also evidence from the past of major damage to a wide variety of plants species from a sudden rise in CO2 (See illustrations below). Higher concentrations of CO2 also reduce the nutritional quality of some staples, such as wheat.

5. When plants do benefit from increased Carbon Dioxide, it is only in enclosed areas, strictly isolated from insects. However, when the growth of Soybeans is boosted out in the open, it creates major changes in its chemistry that makes it more vulnerable to insects, as the illustration below shows.
 
Old 07-22-2018, 12:50 PM
 
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Most of Sweden is dealing with wide spread forest fires across the nation due to prolonged extreme heatwave across Scandinavia and Northern Europe where temperatures has been 80s and 90s (over 30 C) since May with barely any rain something unusual for the region. There is no relief of heat and dry weather anytime soon. Many EU countries has sent help to Sweden.

Yet Trump denies global warming...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/weather...t-drought.html

https://postmedia.us.janrainsso.com/...yearly-average
Temperature has been over 100 degrees every day for the last month at my house. 109 yesterday.

We call that Summer.
 
Old 07-22-2018, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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So, as a thought experiment, never before having seen your other posts, at least not that I remember, I decided to test my theory that most if not all climate alarmists are leftists, and that you can accurately predict a climate alarmist's politics based simply on his irrational position on climate change. It is my contention that it is that strong a predictor. So I shopped for a recent post. And this is what I found:


//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...l#post52568587


So would a data point where you support a despicable monstrosity like Maxine Waters qualify you as meeting my prediction for your politics following my identification of you as a climate alarmist?


I think so.


Just for fun, I advise all City-Data posters to do this: Whenever you see another hackneyed post predicting Armageddon by a climate alarmist, click on their name and look up their other posts. I posit that they will always be socialistic, leftist, collectivistic, pro Bernie, pro Obama, pro United Nations, pro Swedish nirvana, or some combination thereof. In other words: Climate alarmists are always leftists.
And climate change deniers mostly live in America and are almost always ignorant right wing nut jobs...What is your point?
 
Old 07-22-2018, 01:15 PM
 
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And climate change deniers mostly live in America and are almost always ignorant right wing nut jobs...What is your point?
He's trying to deflect the arguement by bringing up whataboutism. Based on things that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Already put my points in. Yet he can't find any counter arguements towards it and will refer to things like:

"emails"

"communists"

"socialists"

"TDS"

"globalists"

"hillary"

"obama"

"maxine waters"

"leftist agenda"

etc.


You can setup a game of bingo with this..
 
Old 07-22-2018, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Originally Posted by BeerGeek40 View Post
OK - temperatures are up, we can agree on that.

What is the next step -- what can the world do to combat this problem? What is China going to do about it, what about India, what about 100 other developing places? Are you going to tell them that they can't have their automobiles?
At least China is aware of the problem and is doing something about it.

Quote:
While Trump's order casts uncertainty over U.S. efforts to rein in emissions, China, the world’s largest emitter of greenhouse gases, has not paused in its drive to ramp up renewable energy and curb its use of coal. It just halted the construction of 103 new coal-fired power plants, and its energy agency at the start of the year announced plans to pour more than $360 billion into renewable energy by the end of the decade.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...ris-agreement/

Chinese automakers churned out 680,000 all-electric cars, busses and trucks in 2017, more than the rest of the world combined. And China's output is growing faster than the rest of the world's too.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/salvato.../#4230ce92130f
 
Old 07-22-2018, 01:21 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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BS. When Antarctica is seeing temperatures of 90 degrees, and the norm is 50-60, that is not a natural cycle. Every expert on the planet knows this is a problem, only those of you with your heads in the sand are the ones laughing about it.
It's always religious fundamentalists denying climate change. I don't know, but I trust modern science more than a bronze-age book of mythology. I wish more people in America did so.
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