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Old 07-25-2018, 01:21 PM
 
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What kind of monster are you that you don't care about 70,000 children?!

This is your typical response. Answer the question.

Is bringing along children through dangerous conditions to intentionally break the law child abuse?
Children that come here alone is not the topic of the thread. The entire issue is taking the children from the parents and deporting the parents without their children. It is a very specific topic. What purpose is served by taking these children from the parents permanently?

What becomes of the Trump orphans?
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Old 07-25-2018, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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70,000 (about) kids are unaccompanied (abandoned ) each year... not coming here (to the USA) with a blood relative..... how is saving kids now kidnapping
Stop changing the topic of the thread.

This thread is about the children separated from PARENTS, not unaccompanied minors, not children brought into the country by traffickers, children brought by their PARENTS.

Why is it so hard to actually reply to the topic at hand?

From Tuesday's court hearing:

"The Trump administration has told a federal judge that it has reunited more than 1,000 parents with their children after the families were separated at the U.S.-Mexico border, but it has lost track of hundreds more parents.
...
Sabraw commended the government for its swift efforts calling it a "remarkable achievement." But he also ordered the government to release more information about the hundreds of parents who were removed from the U.S. without their children and those who waived their right to reunification.

The judge described the government's failure to keep track of split families a "deeply troubling reality" of a policy that separated people "without forethought.""

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/24/63214...ntent=20180725
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Old 07-25-2018, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Children that come here alone is not the topic of the thread. The entire issue is taking the children from the parents and deporting the parents without their children. It is a very specific topic. What purpose is served by taking these children from the parents permanently?

What becomes of the Trump orphans?
yes 90% of these 'children' you are talking about DID NOT COME with parents




this entire '''kidnapping''' garbage is about unaccompanied alien children (UACs), yet liberals lie and spin it


why do liberal constantly lie
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Old 07-25-2018, 01:30 PM
 
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If they do not keep and care for the kids after crossing the border, they are DUMPING them. The US has no obligation to accept them.
Not the topic of this thread.

This thread is about the children forcibly separated from their PARENTS at the border.
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Old 07-25-2018, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Stop changing the topic of the thread.

This thread is about the children separated from PARENTS, not unaccompanied minors, not children brought into the country by traffickers, children brought by their PARENTS.

Why is it so hard to actually reply to the topic at hand?

From Tuesday's court hearing:

"The Trump administration has told a federal judge that it has reunited more than 1,000 parents with their children after the families were separated at the U.S.-Mexico border, but it has lost track of hundreds more parents.
...
Sabraw commended the government for its swift efforts calling it a "remarkable achievement." But he also ordered the government to release more information about the hundreds of parents who were removed from the U.S. without their children and those who waived their right to reunification.

The judge described the government's failure to keep track of split families a "deeply troubling reality" of a policy that separated people "without forethought.""

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/24/63214...ntent=20180725




wrong... most are not with a parent or blood relative,,,




https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/02/15/...ause-catch-and












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this is from back in 2014 under Obama...yet the fascist liberals had nothing but praise for flimflam obozo
https://www.motherjones.com/politics...ntral-america/




US authorities have struggled with how to handle the tens of thousands of kids who end up caught by the Border Patrol. Those coming from Mexico are taken straight back across. The rest are referred to the Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement (rather than being put in immigration detention with adults) and placed in temporary shelters while their deportation proceedings get under way.
Journalists aren’t allowed into these shelters “for safety reasons,†an ORR spokeswoman told me—due to concerns about trafficking victims, the agency goes to great lengths to conceal the exact locations of its facilities.






same issue... yet the fascist liberals condemn trump, but praised obozo.....




liberalism is truly a mental disease
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Old 07-25-2018, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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It's called parental abandonment.


Those illegal aliens are more than happy to dump their kids on the US.
The children were forcibly removed from their parents.

How is that abandonment?
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Old 07-25-2018, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by TigerLily24 View Post
Not the topic of this thread.

This thread is about the children forcibly separated from their PARENTS at the border.



no it is not... that is a liberal lie..... 90% are unaccompanied... ie human trafficked....




Thousands of these unaccompanied children—particularly young teenage girls—are subjected to sexual abuse by smugglers and criminals.... yet liberals support this type of barbarism




why are liberals supporting the criminal human traffickers......?????
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Old 07-25-2018, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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When social services separates a chikd from their parents for abuse, is that considered kidnapping? This is your logic.
When children are separated from their parents for abuse, there is always a reunification plan put in place.

Now, that reunification may not always happen, but, it is generally not because social services doesn't know the whereabouts of the parents because social services failed to document that information when they removed the children.

If social services removed children and did not stay in contact with the parents and provide the parents with some means to communicate with and see their children, then yes, that would be considered kidnapping.
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Old 07-25-2018, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Marquette, Mich
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What kind of monster are you that you don't care about 70,000 children?!

This is your typical response. Answer the question.

Is bringing along children through dangerous conditions to intentionally break the law child abuse?

Answer this: Why would someone bring children through dangerous conditions at all? Can you think of any reasons? I have children, and it would be a pretty serious situation that would have me taking those risks. So, try for a moment to imagine the desperation of someone who chooses to make this journey. It's not an arbitrary decision. It's not casual. It's not impulsive. It's a decision to join family, to find better economic conditions, to find medical care, to find a way out of a cycle of violence. There are an infinite number of reasons, and I'd be 0 of them are because they want to come break the law in the US.



This administration's policy is costing taxpayers so much, it's unbelievable that we're not howling about the fiscal implications. How did we end up in a situation where spending over $10K PER DEPORTEE is acceptable? Housing separated children costs an estimated $150-$800 per night (depending on the type of facility, etc). This is a massive amount of money. Housing a family together costs just over $300 per night. Keeping a family together is not only cost-effective, it's the morally right thing. If someone is going to be turned away, fine. Turn them away as an intact family.
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Old 07-25-2018, 01:43 PM
 
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I'm not taking about the children of parents that went to jail. I'm talking about parents that were deported and the children KEPT. I'm asking specifically, did Trump keep their children here and deport the parents. Because I've read numerous articles on this and that is exactly what it sounds like. If we took their children and kept them here and deported the parents - thus telling the court they can't be re-united - how is that not kidnapping? And what happens to those kids now? What right would we have in taking their children and kicking out the parents?



If I steal a car, can I tell the owner they abandoned their car?


The parents were given a choice to take their kids with them or not. They choose not. They are intentionally leaving them often with relatives to stay and apply for asylum through the unaccompanied alien child process.
So the situation is you an adult will be deported to await your asylum decision, these people have already gotten their final deportation order because they came over the border illegally-zero tolerance, if you stay you will not be reunited with your kids during this time, if you go now you will be reunited with your children now and they will be deported along with you. You choose.






To show this is not a new Trump conspiracy to steal children and it happened during the Obama administration.
Children Left Behind: Deported Parents, American Kids | KPBS


If I give you the keys to my car willingly, you are not stealing my car.
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