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There is no "what next" because nothing can repeal the law of Supply & Demand nor can human nature be "solved." Human nature dictates what each individual chooses for a profession and level of academic achievement, and Supply & Demand dictate what professions pay.
If Person A chooses to be a social worker for the county, and Person B chooses to be a chemical engineer, those two will start their post-grad life with an income gap that will quickly grow into a wealth gap which over time will be quite large. But there's nothing unnatural or immoral about that difference in compensation or how each person came to be on their respective sides of that difference. They chose of their own free will and Supply & Demand did the rest.
Now, if Person A the social worker is white and Person B the ChemE is black, the culture cheers and declares Progress! But if we switch the races, then we hear cries of racism, unfair, unbalanced, must solve problem, etc. Still voluntary choices that are governed by S&D, but we choose to create a collective judgment narrative around what is inherently individual behavior.
So, as long as different people choose different paths in life, and those paths are subject to the vast amount of variability according to S&S, there is no equal outcome. By definition, there can't be. As long as a difference exists, no matter how tangential or superfluous, there will be rent seekers looking to exploit that difference for their own gain. Thus, there is no "what next" that solves anything.
Good points, but if you're correct in what you say then the "race discussion" is pointless. That may be true, but right now the left has put us in a place where the "race discussion" is the most important thing in the world and they are using it to tear our society apart so they can exploit the different pieces. If we have to have this discussion I think we've reached the point where we need to move on to the next step of it, because wallowing in this first blame game step is just making things worse and erasing a lot of the progress we had made.
Good points, but if you're correct in what you say then the "race discussion" is pointless. That may be true, but right now the left has put us in a place where the "race discussion" is the most important thing in the world and they are using it to tear our society apart so they can exploit the different pieces. If we have to have this discussion I think we've reached the point where we need to move on to the next step of it, because wallowing in this first blame game step is just making things worse and erasing a lot of the progress we had made.
There's no "fixing" the discontent though.
Think of America's relationship with black people as akin to a woman who stays with a husband after suffering years of physical abuse. Even if years go by and that guy never ever lays another hand on her and for the next 20-30 years is a model husband in every way, there's two things that will never happen:
She'll never fully trust that he won't do it again
She'll never fully forget nor forgive what happened
Nothing he does will ever erase the past, and if she cannot ever let it go whether by choice or just having busted wires from those beatings, then there's nothing that can be done as a "what next?"
And that's America's relationship with black people. The country is the once abusive spouse that will never be fully trusted nor forgiven. There is no amount of guilt confessed, no amount of shiny baubles bought and no amount of soothing platitudes that can erase history.
Outside of simply wiping out all forms of non-black Americans in existence and then having a couple generations live through 50+ years minimum of 100% black America in order to forget white people ever existed, there's no getting past what the battered wife chooses to not forgive or forget.
Thus, this rent seeking game of white guilt and black angst will go on and on, forever and ever. Doesn't really matter what anyone does.
Enough of the threads asking about if white people are racist or not, or asking if there is still racism in this country. Let's just concede that white people are uniquely and unforgivably racist. Let's concede that the white race has only succeeded on the backs of other races and other races that have floundered have only done so because of the white man's boot on their necks. Let's concede all of this and move this "discussion" to the next level.
With all of that conceded, what next? What do we do now? We've passed the Civil Rights Act, we've made it illegal to discriminate on the basis of race. We've done what we can from a legal standpoint to provide as level of a playing field as law can allow. We've even gone beyond the level playing field in some ways and enacted affirmative action programs designed to give some oppressed raises a much needed advantage. Yet here we are and some races still can't get ahead because white people are still holding them down despite the law. What do we do now to raise them up? And to what extent do we have an obligation to raise them up and to what extent do these races have an obligation to raise themselves up on their own?
And please, let's have some specifics instead of just platitudes and bumper stickers.
You just set up a bunch of straw men. Logical fallacy.
The real racism in this country is institutional racism. The simplest way to address it is to change the public school funding formulas. Kids in Mississippi, regardless of race, are entitled (yes I said entitled) to schools of the same caliper as those here in the Northeast. Inner city kids are just as deserving as those in the suburbs. Level the playing field? Yes let’s ACTUALLY level the playing field and unlink school funding from property taxes.
thank goodness none of this effects me... My town's demographics.....
The racial makeup of the town was 97.90% White, 0.78% African American, 0.11% Native American, 0.22% Asian, and 1.00% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.33% of the population. People with school age kids -- 9%.
Enough of the threads asking about if white people are racist or not, or asking if there is still racism in this country. Let's just concede that white people are uniquely and unforgivably racist. Let's concede that the white race has only succeeded on the backs of other races and other races that have floundered have only done so because of the white man's boot on their necks. Let's concede all of this and move this "discussion" to the next level.
With all of that conceded, what next? What do we do now? We've passed the Civil Rights Act, we've made it illegal to discriminate on the basis of race. We've done what we can from a legal standpoint to provide as level of a playing field as law can allow. We've even gone beyond the level playing field in some ways and enacted affirmative action programs designed to give some oppressed raises a much needed advantage. Yet here we are and some races still can't get ahead because white people are still holding them down despite the law. What do we do now to raise them up? And to what extent do we have an obligation to raise them up and to what extent do these races have an obligation to raise themselves up on their own?
And please, let's have some specifics instead of just platitudes and bumper stickers.
Ignore the liberal labels of "racist" and "white supremacist". When you actually pay attention to such nonsense and engage in a discussion, it gives credence to their ridiculous claims.
You can take away their "power" of PC language by simply refusing to acknowledge all of its absurd claims. It is analogous to attempting to speak to a dog- liberals can only follow simple commands and getting into a rational discussion is impossible. Like the dog, they don't think the way you do.
Enough of the threads asking about if white people are racist or not, or asking if there is still racism in this country. Let's just concede that white people are uniquely and unforgivably racist. Let's concede that the white race has only succeeded on the backs of other races and other races that have floundered have only done so because of the white man's boot on their necks. Let's concede all of this and move this "discussion" to the next level.
With all of that conceded, what next? What do we do now? We've passed the Civil Rights Act, we've made it illegal to discriminate on the basis of race. We've done what we can from a legal standpoint to provide as level of a playing field as law can allow. We've even gone beyond the level playing field in some ways and enacted affirmative action programs designed to give some oppressed raises a much needed advantage. Yet here we are and some races still can't get ahead because white people are still holding them down despite the law. What do we do now to raise them up? And to what extent do we have an obligation to raise them up and to what extent do these races have an obligation to raise themselves up on their own?
And please, let's have some specifics instead of just platitudes and bumper stickers.
They want your submission to take your property and take all of your rights and freedoms away...that is all.
Enough of the threads asking about if white people are racist or not, or asking if there is still racism in this country. Let's just concede that white people are uniquely and unforgivably racist. Let's concede that the white race has only succeeded on the backs of other races and other races that have floundered have only done so because of the white man's boot on their necks. Let's concede all of this and move this "discussion" to the next level.
With all of that conceded, what next? What do we do now? We've passed the Civil Rights Act, we've made it illegal to discriminate on the basis of race. We've done what we can from a legal standpoint to provide as level of a playing field as law can allow. We've even gone beyond the level playing field in some ways and enacted affirmative action programs designed to give some oppressed raises a much needed advantage. Yet here we are and some races still can't get ahead because white people are still holding them down despite the law. What do we do now to raise them up? And to what extent do we have an obligation to raise them up and to what extent do these races have an obligation to raise themselves up on their own?
And please, let's have some specifics instead of just platitudes and bumper stickers.
Oh, it's all about reparations. Because welfare, section 8, foodstamps and affirmative action aren't enough.
If I am understanding you correctly, you are asking if we ALL embrace the Democrat left's deeply racist identity politics agenda with both arms and squeeze it lovingly and celebrate it enthusiastically, then for our society, where does this go? What comes next?
Is that basically right?
He's not saying that. He asking what is the endgame?
So when a black community or minority community in an urban center talks about how the police treat them...let's listen.
Let's not immediately dismiss it as nonsense, hogwash -- and they are all criminals anyways.
And yes -- it goes the other way. Minorities have to listen to how their comments/actions/behaviour is racist when they make statements or react to something a white person does.
I find that society is becoming less tolerant -- not just of races but of differing ideas.
If I don't like Trump, a bunch of folks here will immediately start attacking me as a lefty who supports the violent extremists within the left.
If you support Trump, a bunch of folks here will immediately start attacking you as a righty who supports racism, sexism, etc.
It isn't that cut and dry.
It's not that cut and dry. They don't want to talk. They want $$.
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