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Originally Posted by europeanloyalist
its better than nothing. I don't think the founding fathers realized the stupidity of the coming generations to not be able to comprehend and or try and read into it what they want to see when it comes to the constitution.
There is a movement underway to hold a Convention of the States (see progress map on this link....https://conventionofstates.com) to modify the constitution. The founders were wise enough to provide a means but given that the constitution is the supreme law of the land, it’s a long slow process and takes quite a deliberate effort.
Regarding if it’s necessary, I have become convinced over the last decade or so that we must have term limits on both the House and the Senate. These “ticks” that embed themselves into the government for the power and personal advancement need to go. So, for at least that subject, I would support it. It’s certainly not a thing to be taken lightly though.
Problem with the Convention of States is one of the biggest backers is ALEC who are notoriously corrupt.
Its not that changes arent in order, but I fear the influence of ALEC at such a Convention. The Imperial Presidency needs to be taken down a notch or two (this isn't just for Trump but given the power of the office especially since FDR, Congress needs to be forced to do its job).
There has been some interesting discussion on the board lately about the relevance of the Constitution in its current form. I wanted to see the general feeling overall:
Those "interesting discussion(s)" are usually people dissatisfied with election results. Overall the Constitution has worked rather well. I voted that it didn't need amending. However once in a while they are needed though they usually have unintended consequences.
I posted this in another thread about the constitution and it is just as relevant in this thread:
The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are both very well written as they are; and not really needing to be updated.
But with each right in the Bill of Rights, there exists the rub of what that right is protecting and how it can be abused, let me explain.
The 1st amendment to the constitution, give the people the right to freedom of speech, it means that you can tell the leader of the country, that you think that they are a jerk, and not have to worry about being shot in the head, or imprisoned.
The 1st amendment also means that you could loose your job if an employer does not like what you have to say. Same part of the 1st amendment give someone the right to scream at the top of their lungs; everything that you have spent a lifetime opposing, but they have the right to say it.
The 2nd amendment gives the people the right to keep and bare arms, to protect themselves if they choose from an aggressor; weather that aggressor is foreign or domestic. It also means that eventually some NUT CASE will shoot up a bunch of innocent people. But that is the rub, it is their to protect society, to give the people the means to defend themselves. But it can be abused.
The 4th amendment guarantee's the right against an illegal search and seizure. It means that the police need a search warrant or probable cause to enter a home or private business. This protects society from the police, they can not just barge into your home because the feel like it. It is abused by the criminal element that the police can know that they are guilty, but can't prove it to a court.
The 5th amendment guarantee's that you can not be manipulated into a confession; you have the right to NOT Incriminate your self. The rub that is when you know beyond any shadow of a doubt, that a person is guilty, you still cannot force a confession.
All of these rights and amendments to the constitution are their to protect the people & protect society, mostly from it's self. We should never be trying to shortcut any of these amendments, it starts us down a bad trail.
It's been working for 246 years. Why is it suddenly broken?
Nothing sudden about it.
But liberals have increasingly realized that it provides no penalties for violating it.
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