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The classic "perjury trap" was pulled on Scooter Libby some years back.
The lawyers kept interviewing him again and again, and demanding that he fill out reams of statements about what he did when, with the same questions repeated over and over.
Twice Libby wrote out accurate descriptions of everything he had done during the period they were grilling him about, leaving out nothing. And the liberals could find nothing wrong with any of it.
And then some time later they repeated the same questions a third time, and this time Libby goofed, forgetting a few details before winding up with his third repetition of "And that's the complete story, that's all I did".
Libby obviously didn't intend to conceal those few details from the government. He had already described them fully, twice, holding nothing back - a fact that the govt acknowledged.
But when he screwed up on the third grilling, they accused him of "perjury", since he had provided a dozen details the first two times and said that was all, and then provided only eleven details the third time and said that was all. And they hit him with the "perjury" accusation, as though he had tried to mislead the government or conceal something.
It's the same "perjury trap" they would like to pull on President Trump, since they have no actual crimes to charge him with.
If you grill somebody enough times, you can accuse him of "perjury" no matter how many times he told you the complete truth. Unless he is perfect and incapable of forgetting anything ever, you've got him.
And he didn't even have to commit any crimes during the entire period you're grilling him on. The only "crime" came months or years later, when he told the complete truth to the interrogators over and over and then finally goofed. Years in jail and exhaustion of his entire resources and livelihood, to pay for a legal defense of his doing nothing wrong, are his reward.
And the liberals innocently pretend they can't understand why Trump's lawyers are telling him not to testify to these people.
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Originally Posted by sickofnyc
What a spin to cover for a pathological liar and fraud such as Trump.
TRANSLATION: I can't refute anything you said, but I hate it anyway. So I'll call you a liar, call President Trump the same names I always call him when I can't refute him either, and hope I can fool somebody into believing me.
Maybe if Trump had just always been truthful in his life, versus spinning a web of lies that even he can't remember the intracacies of, he wouldn't have to worry so much.
Trump's problem is not a "trap." It is the fact that he has already lied about many things that have been proven to be lies. So he can either repeat the first lie and commit perjury, or he can tell the truth, proving that he has been lying all along.
Donny Jr. and the Russian Trump Tower meeting is but one example. Giuliani even tried to say as recently as yesterday that nobody new the woman they were meeting with was even Russian, no less an agent of the government. But all you have to do is go back and read the emails and we know that was one big lie.
Instead, Mueller has been allowed to interview his lawyer, Don McGahn, who is speaking on Trump's behalf.
Mueller has not been "allowed" anything. He is charged with subpoena power to conduct an investigation. Donnie can do this peacefully or painfully. His choice entirely.
Yes, he can be subpoenaed and compelled to testify. Nixon and Bill Clinton both were, and did.
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Mueller has not been "allowed" anything. He is charged with subpoena power to conduct an investigation. Donnie can do this peacefully or painfully. His choice entirely.
Holding his breath and stomping his feet is probably more likely.
The classic "perjury trap" was pulled on Scooter Libby some years back.
The lawyers kept interviewing him again and again, and demanding that he fill out reams of statements about what he did when, with the same questions repeated over and over.
Twice Libby wrote out accurate descriptions of everything he had done during the period they were grilling him about, leaving out nothing. And the liberals could find nothing wrong with any of it.
And then some time later they repeated the same questions a third time, and this time Libby goofed, forgetting a few details before winding up with his third repetition of "And that's the complete story, that's all I did".
Libby obviously didn't intend to conceal those few details from the government. He had already described them fully, twice, holding nothing back - a fact that the govt acknowledged.
But when he screwed up on the third grilling, they accused him of "perjury", since he had provided a dozen details the first two times and said that was all, and then provided only eleven details the third time and said that was all. And they hit him with the "perjury" accusation, as though he had tried to mislead the government or conceal something.
It's the same "perjury trap" they would like to pull on President Trump, since they have no actual crimes to charge him with.
If you grill somebody enough times, you can accuse him of "perjury" no matter how many times he told you the complete truth. Unless he is perfect and incapable of forgetting anything ever, you've got him.
And he didn't even have to commit any crimes during the entire period you're grilling him on. The only "crime" came months or years later, when he told the complete truth to the interrogators over and over and then finally goofed. Years in jail and exhaustion of his entire resources and livelihood, to pay for a legal defense of his doing nothing wrong, are his reward.
And the liberals innocently pretend they can't understand why Trump's lawyers are telling him not to testify to these people.
Wow, the liberals are avoiding this like the plague. Unless you think namecalling is some form of "serious discussion". Which apparently some of them do.
The perjury trap excuse is dumb because the premise that Trump will be prosecuted for mis-remembering some mundane detail is preposterous on its face. Moreover, if he truly doesn't remember something, he can always tell the truth and say, "I don't remember."
Not a problem:
Q: What did you have for lunch?
A: A sandwich
Q: What time did you have lunch?
A: 12:15pm
(Mueller has receipt for a panini purchase at 12:45pm)
Problem:
Q: Did you know your campaign was coordinating with Russia regarding the release of Hillary's stolen emails?
A: No.
(Mueller has recording of Trump directing Manafort to coordinate with Russia regarding the release of Hillary's stolen emails)
See how that works?
Or
Q: Did you have sex with Monica Lewinki?
A: No
(Monica has a blue dress with your semen on it you moron)
Mueller has not been "allowed" anything. He is charged with subpoena power to conduct an investigation. Donnie can do this peacefully or painfully. His choice entirely.
As you know very well, Mueller has not subpoenaed Trump or McGahn. As a result, any interaction between Mueller and McGahn has been voluntary, or "allowed".
Mueller is not likely to subpoena Trump, because he knows that he will almost certainly fail in this effort. Trump has the upper hand on this.
So, instead of a face-to-face meeting between Mueller and Trump - which is not going to happen, regardless of what the Fake News leftist lying media has been saying - Trump's lawyer has been meeting with Mueller.
It will have to suffice and Mueller has no power to directly force Trump to do anything. And he knows it.
The perjury trap excuse is dumb because the premise that Trump will be prosecuted for mis-remembering some mundane detail is preposterous on its face. Moreover, if he truly doesn't remember something, he can always tell the truth and say, "I don't remember."
Not a problem:
Q: What did you have for lunch?
A: A sandwich
Q: What time did you have lunch?
A: 12:15pm
(Mueller has receipt for a panini purchase at 12:45pm)
Problem:
Q: Did you know your campaign was coordinating with Russia regarding the release of Hillary's stolen emails?
A: No.
(Mueller has recording of Trump directing Manafort to coordinate with Russia regarding the release of Hillary's stolen emails)
See how that works?
The 30 minute. gap for that lunch would be justified if he was driving to a sandwich shop and waiting in line for a while.
The classic "perjury trap" was pulled on Scooter Libby some years back.
The lawyers kept interviewing him again and again, and demanding that he fill out reams of statements about what he did when, with the same questions repeated over and over.
Twice Libby wrote out accurate descriptions of everything he had done during the period they were grilling him about, leaving out nothing. And the liberals could find nothing wrong with any of it.
And then some time later they repeated the same questions a third time, and this time Libby goofed, forgetting a few details before winding up with his third repetition of "And that's the complete story, that's all I did".
Libby obviously didn't intend to conceal those few details from the government. He had already described them fully, twice, holding nothing back - a fact that the govt acknowledged.
But when he screwed up on the third grilling, they accused him of "perjury", since he had provided a dozen details the first two times and said that was all, and then provided only eleven details the third time and said that was all. And they hit him with the "perjury" accusation, as though he had tried to mislead the government or conceal something.
It's the same "perjury trap" they would like to pull on President Trump, since they have no actual crimes to charge him with.
If you grill somebody enough times, you can accuse him of "perjury" no matter how many times he told you the complete truth. Unless he is perfect and incapable of forgetting anything ever, you've got him.
And he didn't even have to commit any crimes during the entire period you're grilling him on. The only "crime" came months or years later, when he told the complete truth to the interrogators over and over and then finally goofed. Years in jail and exhaustion of his entire resources and livelihood, to pay for a legal defense of his doing nothing wrong, are his reward.
And the liberals innocently pretend they can't understand why Trump's lawyers are telling him not to testify to these people.
Once will be sufficient, if it's done properly.
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