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Any take-down of a local State, say out to Iran, that is not friendly to us and has reason to look Eastward is in our national interest. From a strict geopolitical perspective. That's not really debatable.
That’s a bunch of gibberish.
Go ahead and give me your justification for invading Venezuela without all the drivel please. Anytime you’re advocating naked aggression based on a ‘might makes right’ principle, you should make it as clear as possible that THAT is what you’re asserting.
We, like the rest of the world, do have an interest in Venezuela oil.
So if I have an interest in something that you own and I think you’re inept as an individual, do I have a right to smack you up and insert myself into your affairs just because I’m stronger than you?
You might wanna be careful about advocating something like that. And the reason why is simple, to paraphrase Samuel Jackson in Pulp Fiction...”you’re the weak, NOT the tyranny of evil men.”
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1) You and I are clearly on the same page of non-intervention.
2) Bad comparison to Dubya. We don't already have a buttload of troops etc. stationed on Venezuela's border a la Gulf 1 nor do we have a country like Saudi Arabia encouraging us etc. etc. etc. It's just a whole different logistical animal.
3) Gulf 2 brought a lot of people around to more isolationist thinking like the two of us.
4) This isn't "fake news" about the crisis within that country. BBC has good coverage of the situation without having to deal with Fox etc. bias.
5) Let's not confuse Fox's ratings grab coverage with intent to start action. If you see ALL of the US media doing it then we need to start worrying. For right now I think it's just the usual red meat for the base because it makes them money.
The United States has troops VERY close to Venezuela...right here in the United States.
And no, it’s not fake news, but it IS irrelevant to our national interests/security.
Yes, many more people are non interventionist nowadays, but Americans are easy to convince into a war.
You're reading the tea leaves wrong. No one is going to intervene in Venezuela.
the purpose of the coverage is to prevent the Democrats from turning the U.S. into Venezuela.
"Donald Trump repeatedly raised the possibility of invading Venezuela in talks with his top aides at the White House" (and administration officials took turns trying to talk him out of it.)
And Trump brought up a Venezuela invasion in public saying: “We have many options for Venezuela, including a possible military option, if necessary."
Any take-down of a local State, say out to Iran, that is not friendly to us and has reason to look Eastward is in our national interest. From a strict geopolitical perspective. That's not really debatable.
You can say it's in the self-interest of a burglar to break into your home and take your jewelry. But that doesn't make it "right."
If the US goes around toppling governments, starting wars out of "national interest" then it's a bandit state, immoral, and needs to be put down by the coalition of the rest of the world like the dog that it is.
This isn’t out of the question or unrealistic. After watching some Fox News vids over the last few months with Venezuela clearly deteriorating by the day, I’m starting to realize that there IS a consensus of fairly considerable size that would suppprt such a move.
Lot of countries are deteriorating, or have already done so. Are we going to attack them all?
Trumps position has been anti-war, before and after election, and done much to avoid war which has worked out nicely so far. I do see many others in gov. interested in starting a new war somewhere. They are ever present no matter the party in power. Trump isn't among them.
President Donald Trump has publicly boasted that "his nuclear button is "much bigger" and "more powerful" than North Korean leader Kim Jong-un's." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42549687
President Trump publicly said "North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen." https://www.azquotes.com/quote/1594552
President Trump publicly told Iran "NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE." https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/polit...ntl/index.html
And in a Oval Office meeting about Venezuela President Trump asked his top aides the following question, "With a fast unraveling Venezuela threatening regional security, why can't the U.S. just simply invade the troubled country?" Trump pressed aides on Venezuela invasion, US official says | Fox News
Why do you believe Trump is an anti-war president?
This isn’t out of the question or unrealistic. After watching some Fox News vids over the last few months with Venezuela clearly deteriorating by the day, I’m starting to realize that there IS a consensus of fairly considerable size that would suppprt such a move. Dubya already proved that a pretext can be easily conjured up for an invasion that Americans will get behind.
Trump is under tremendous heat, and an intervention would definitely bury any possible headline from Mueller. Congressional Republicans are under even more heat, so why would they oppose it?
Fox’s Venezuela coverage is all about a pretext for war if you listen well enough. They keep screaming about socialism, dictatorship, oil, and how this is a humanitarian disaster. Also mentioned is how the average Venezuelan has lost 25 lbs from starvation. I don’t buy it.
This is beginning to sound like the runup to intervening...and I damn sure hope I’m wrong. We have no pressing national interests in Venezuela. None.
Might, if, should maybe, could, will he/she, etc. are ALL a waste of time.
Its just more Fox propaganda. They keep talking about Venezuela and socialism as their ongoing fear mongering of anything not far right of center. They are prodding their viewers to believe that all Democrats support socialism (a lie, only a few do), and that the only possible outcome of socialist policies is the disaster that is unfolding in Venezuela. Its a typical scare story/illogical conclusion that is the bread and butter of Fox reporting.
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