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Old 09-03-2018, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Yes, you are. Why? The business model cannot be sustained without adequate productivity. The only ones undercutting labor compensation are other laborers who agree to work for less.
When workers need to live, they must sell their labor to corporations who take advantage of their desperate position to control their labor and pay them what is profitable.

But what you’ Suggesting is the same thing socialist all around the world support. Uniting workers to organize so that their collective voice is heard, rather than individually.

Companies need labor, but individual workers don’t have any influence on companies, but United, they can bring the authoritarian model of capitalism to kneel.
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Old 09-03-2018, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Florida
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God, they don't even allow people to work for compensation, it's so tightly controlled workers can't even make money when they need it.

Imagine if the Washington Post reported on this, to bad they can't.
What I find interesting about all of this, is this is happening in the UK, and I thought the UK had social programs and laws to protect workers.
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Old 09-03-2018, 10:38 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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When workers need to live, they must sell their labor to corporations who take advantage of their desperate position to control their labor and pay them what is profitable.
How did such laborers get themselves into a "desperate position?" Weak/inadequate/nonexistent skills? That's their problem, not the employer's responsibility.
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Old 09-03-2018, 11:08 AM
 
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What I find interesting about all of this, is this is happening in the UK, and I thought the UK had social programs and laws to protect workers.

It happens in every country amazon is. I saw a complete documentary about amazon from France with very harsh criticism, not only does amazon has civil lawsuits there, they even have problems with the French government over violation of contracts and millions of dollars of fines for anti-competition practices.
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Old 09-03-2018, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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How did such laborers get themselves into a "desperate position?" Weak/inadequate/nonexistent skills? That's their problem, not the employer's responsibility.
All workers are in a disadvantaged state if they don’t own capital (beyond their own abilities) as they need money to live (and the only way to get it is to let someone else control your labor).
It’s a broken system but it’s the system we have.
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Old 09-03-2018, 11:35 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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All workers are in a disadvantaged state if they don’t own capital (beyond their own abilities) as they need money to live (and the only way to get it is to let someone else control your labor).
Quite the contrary. If that were so, there would be no $500,000, $1,000,000+ employees. There are. Think about how they leverage their skill sets for greater compensation packages. It doesn't happen accidentally.
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Old 09-03-2018, 11:55 AM
 
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But Trump deserves all the money he can make. HA!
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Old 09-03-2018, 12:23 PM
 
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How did such laborers get themselves into a "desperate position?" Weak/inadequate/nonexistent skills? That's their problem, not the employer's responsibility.
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Old 09-03-2018, 12:25 PM
 
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All workers are in a disadvantaged state if they don’t own capital (beyond their own abilities) as they need money to live (and the only way to get it is to let someone else control your labor).
It’s a broken system but it’s the system we have.

LOL. That would be news to Wall St employees, corp hq employees, etc who do NOT own capital, but command spectacular compensation packages.
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Old 09-03-2018, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Quite the contrary. If that were so, there would be no $500,000, $1,000,000+ employees. There are. Think about how they leverage their skill sets for greater compensation packages. It doesn't happen accidentally.
Those incomes don’t come from trade skills that are needed to keep the country running, the come from management/hi tech skills that come from higher education along with a networking of contacts.

For the majority of workers that keep the economy running, such pay is not an option.

And then you’re not even factoring COL which would mitigate most of the income due to land lords abusing their power and artificially high prices for food and what not due to distortions of the market.

Your fantasy of how the economy functions is not attached to reality.
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