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Old 08-29-2018, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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For people like him to become billionaires, others must be kept down.
Who did he keep down ? Do you have a list of names ?
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Old 08-29-2018, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Stopping you right there... They "take" nothing. Workers are compensated for their labor in mutually agreed terms.
I've already covered this, if capital is owned by private industry then the workers, one way or another, must sell their labor for an indirect benefit while also consenting to control over their own labor practice/abilities.

Competition doesn't account for this as big corps main goal is to appear to satisfy costumers on what they are supplying. Being as they try to make the demand for their product (marketing 101), pricing and availability (quantity as well as supply chains) are very important. In maximizing both production and cheaper prices, workers must suffer, and competition mainly becomes a race to the bottom (lower standards, work that is less productive, worse hours, etc.).
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Old 08-29-2018, 02:59 PM
 
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For people like him to become billionaires, others must be kept down.
I've argued that for years.
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Old 08-29-2018, 03:00 PM
 
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Who did he keep down ? Do you have a list of names ?
The millions of people who did what they believed in what they were told and put their money into savings. No, I do not have all their names.
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Old 08-29-2018, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Who did he keep down ? Do you have a list of names ?
Most vocationally skilled workers where an amazon shipping center is. As they aren't allowed to practice their skills freely and to the benefit of themselves, they end up working for amazon who controls their labor to maximize production and lower importance of personal production/abilities.

In the wider scale, Bezos taking advantage of the private economic model of buying up capital, monopolizing supply chains, and bribing government executives for subsidies/tax breaks hurts the economic system so that it limits the number of people who can find success and organizes power around himself further limiting free access to labor.
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Old 08-29-2018, 03:08 PM
 
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I've long understood that many do not want to discuss the actual issues.
No, has nothing to do with the issue itself. One thing you may not have long understood though is that when you treat people here a certain way, they are inclined to treat you back the same way. So yeah, thanks for sharing an answer to a question I didn't ask you.
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Old 08-29-2018, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Amazon just keeps racking in cash, but financial experts say its overrated. Probably the case, Bezos is good at manipulating labor and the markets, but his 'innovative model' is limited to increasing consumerism, nothing else.

The industry amazon is in, shipping of its own products (sales), is limited in scope, but big on revenue. In the long term, it brings no real benefit to society. Nonetheless Bezos probably thinks he's a great inventor doing good pilling money into his own pocket.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/29/amaz...orrection.html
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Old 08-29-2018, 04:55 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I've already covered this, if capital is owned by private industry then the workers, one way or another, must sell their labor for an indirect benefit while also consenting to control over their own labor practice/abilities.
The only one who control's one's labor IS the laborer. They agree to work for a stipulated compensation. They quit when they want to quit.
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Old 08-29-2018, 05:07 PM
 
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https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/st...69466052538368


Just think, Bezos makes many times more than the average worker yet does not produce as much as they do. He should be paid less by the rules of input/output but because he controls the distribution of cash he makes the most.

Corporate CEOs generally lack basic trade skills that are needed to keep a society functioning and moral in nature, instead they are skilled at winning state subsidies, cutting financial costs that don't directly benefit their bottom line, and outsourcing production AND marketing. This is why when Obama or Trump selects one of them to help the US economy, they fail, because they have no real skills.

These concepts are basic yet everyone criticizes Bernie on this one tweet, why?

Why? Because he is a phony! He bashes Wall St, but, has NO problem taking their campaign money.

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Bernie Sanders slams billionaires, gets reminded he owns 3 houses"

"Sanders was mercilessly mocked for questioning how yachts and cars billionaires need when he and his wifebought their third house — a $600,000 beachfront residence — in August."
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Old 08-29-2018, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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The only one who control's one's labor IS the laborer. They agree to work for a stipulated compensation. They quit when they want to quit.
No, when choices for self work are nearly unavailable with access to capital that is privately owned, you either work for someone else, or you starve.

And being as all private industry has the same goal of manipulating the market to build demand for their supply, the worker is used as a tool to lower production costs and maximize production (usually be being given a job with no independent purpose) rather than being seen as part of the company.

And as all corporations attempt to maximize usage of workers, it is a race to the bottom in terms of employee freedoms.
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