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Old 09-05-2018, 01:46 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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People complain and complain about identity politics yet they lose their mind at even the slightest criticism of our institutions and establish norms. The flag, the military, the police, the national anthem, our history, the church, cultural traditions, and our elected officials (funnily enough only when Republicans are in charge) are like sacred cows which cannot be criticized. Yet, that speech is protected by the First Amendment and my personal belief is that forced patriotism isn't a good thing. People shouldn't salute the flag and reverence our institutions because they are forced to but because they want to.

So how is conservatives throwing a fit about perceived disrespect or disregard for our institutions any different from social progressives becoming vocally offended about things like Chick-Fil-A or the Robertson [Duck Dynasty] family? Conservatives believe that the left is forcing a PC agenda on them but aren't they forcing their own agenda in the same way?
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Old 09-05-2018, 01:49 PM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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They were hoping no one would notice.
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Old 09-05-2018, 01:51 PM
 
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People complain and complain about identity politics yet they lose their mind at even the slightest criticism of our institutions and establish norms. The flag, the national anthem, our history, the church, cultural traditions, and our elected officials (funnily enough only when Republicans are in charge) are like sacred cows which cannot be criticized. Yet, that speech is protected by the First Amendment and my personal belief is that forced patriotism isn't a good thing. People shouldn't salute the flag and reverence our institutions because they are forced to but because they want to.

So how is conservatives throwing a fit about perceived disrespect or disregard for our institutions any different from social progressives becoming vocally offended about things like Chick-Fil-A or the Robertson [Duck Dynasty] family? Conservatives believe that the left is forcing a PC agenda on them but aren't they forcing their own agenda in the same way?
Legalizing abortion, supporting illegal immigrants at the expense of American citizens, normalizing 'non-binary gender', spitting in the face of Judeo-Christian values, moving us from capitalism to forced-wealth redistribution via socialism, and the hundreds of other issues that have been forced down the throats and lives of conservatives for years goes beyond 'the slightest criticism of our institutions and established norms'
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Old 09-05-2018, 01:57 PM
 
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People complain and complain about identity politics yet they lose their mind at even the slightest criticism of our institutions and establish norms. The flag, the national anthem, our history, the church, cultural traditions, and our elected officials (funnily enough only when Republicans are in charge) are like sacred cows which cannot be criticized. Yet, that speech is protected by the First Amendment and my personal belief is that forced patriotism isn't a good thing. People shouldn't salute the flag and reverence our institutions because they are forced to but because they want to.

So how is conservatives throwing a fit about perceived disrespect or disregard for our institutions any different from social progressives becoming vocally offended about things like Chick-Fil-A or the Robertson [Duck Dynasty] family? Conservatives believe that the left is forcing a PC agenda on them but aren't they forcing their own agenda in the same way?
There's not "forced patriotism". There's people who encourage it and those that discourage it. How often are people being fired for not being patriotic? Almost never, but almost always for not being politically correct. The left wants to define what's politically correct and not enforce threw firing, banning and censoring people.
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Old 09-05-2018, 02:00 PM
 
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Institutions are what keep our society function. They must be preserved.
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Old 09-05-2018, 02:01 PM
 
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Legalizing abortion, supporting illegal immigrants at the expense of American citizens, normalizing 'non-binary gender', spitting in the face of Judeo-Christian values, moving us from capitalism to forced-wealth redistribution via socialism, and the hundreds of other issues that have been forced down the throats and lives of conservatives for years goes beyond 'the slightest criticism of our institutions and established norms'
Not to mention dictating what we're allowed to same and not say, changing our electorate and culture through forced open borders, mass legal and illegal immigration, physically attacking conservative protesters, speakers and political rallies, tearing down monuments and statues...
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Old 09-05-2018, 02:01 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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The problem is that when the government starts demanding patriotism, things quickly go South in terms of freedom.

And that's what we skate closer to when we have a President who doesn't realize or care that flapping his gums as a private citizen on Twitter conflicts with his role as the top representative of the Executive Branch.
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Old 09-05-2018, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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Legalizing abortion, supporting illegal immigrants at the expense of American citizens, normalizing 'non-binary gender', spitting in the face of Judeo-Christian values, moving us from capitalism to forced-wealth redistribution via socialism, and the hundreds of other issues that have been forced down the throats and lives of conservatives for years goes beyond 'the slightest criticism of our institutions and established norms'
Hopefully we can do more of that in the future so that you people will move somewhere else.
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Old 09-05-2018, 02:05 PM
 
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And this post right here proves that conservatives really do hate the First Amendment. Christianity isn't the official religion of this country despite how much you wish it were. People aren't required, at least yet, to submit to the authority of a state church and aren't required to keep the traditions that are mandated by the church. If you people had your way the US would look a lot like Iran but a fundamentalist Christian version. Ultimately it's tyranny that you people want.

And allowing people who look and believe different from you to exist is NOT oppression.
Pure BS. Christianity was predominate and more strongly practiced before and as the country formed. We got the constitution and bill of Rights and never a religious fundamentalist version of Iran.

You are just demonizing Christians and Christianity backed up by nothing but bigotry.
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Old 09-05-2018, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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There's not "forced patriotism".
Thirteen years of public school children standing for the national anthem isn't forced patriotism?
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