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Old 09-09-2018, 02:07 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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So why did half the country vote for a billionaire who is catering to the rich (and his own family) with tax cuts? Half the country is convinced the poorest people are responsible for their financial problems, not the rich. When will someone come out with a slogan like "It's not socialism, it's democracy... a government of the people, by the people and for the people, not for the millionaires and billionaires"?
Because cultural, racial, and religious purity is more important to them than the economy.
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Old 09-09-2018, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Homeless
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Same old story, the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer, except that we are
practically back to a Caste system society now.
It is a tale of epic sadness that some people could work full time jobs and still struggle to feed their families and sometimes still end up homeless.
America should be better than this.
There are always jobs available but the jobs pay so low that one can make more collecting unemployment these days. But yes, your right it’s the old story the rich keep getting richer.
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Old 09-09-2018, 02:14 PM
 
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I have two nieces, one is 22 and one is 21.

They come from similar families--two parent home, private high school, college paid for by their parents, etc.

One of them dropped out of college, then dropped out of junior college. She has jumped around from low paying job to low paying job. She has over 30 tattoos and neon green hair, multiple weird piercings, smokes and does drugs.

The other one is in a top engineering program at a top university, and has earned a scholarship. She studied abroad this past summer. She has secured prestigious internships. She is vegetarian and runs marathons.

Which young woman has a more successful life ahead of her?

Sometimes, it DOES come down to the choices you make.

Choices are the biggest factor in outcome, after innate ability.

There are far too many like your dropout niece, who do everything possible, to insure they fail in life.
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Old 09-09-2018, 02:25 PM
 
Location: In a George Strait Song
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Choices are the biggest factor in outcome, after innate ability.

There are far too many like your dropout niece, who do everything possible, to insure they fail in life.
Absolutely. We are doing our best to get that message across to our own children.


And I absolutely do not want to hear from libs about how those people who chose to go a certain route are being failed by this country.
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Old 09-09-2018, 02:25 PM
 
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There are also people who work like crazy but can't get ahead because they never were able to afford an education and because they started with nothing. Sometimes people are poor because of something tragic like catastrophic medical bills, unavailability of insurance, etc. If you have no advantages, even working hard most often will not bring wealth. On the other hand, if you are born into wealth, you can sit around, doing nothing, paying others to do all your work, and still be wealthy. Inside those extremes, there are all kinds of people, with all levels of wealth and accomplishment. People here paint with a wide brush. Sometimes I think that anyone who believes that the poor all deserve to be poor is using that for a defense against the guilt of being a selfish jerk.
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Old 09-09-2018, 02:30 PM
 
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Because cultural, racial, and religious purity is more important to them than the economy.
Sounds more like its important to you than the economy.
None of which puts more money in the pockets of working people like a job. .
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Old 09-09-2018, 02:43 PM
 
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Absolutely. We are doing our best to get that message across to our own children.


And I absolutely do not want to hear from libs about how those people who chose to go a certain route are being failed by this country.
You are underestimating genes which we have no control over. Same with the first couple of years in a child's life. You have less control than you think you have.

You dont want to hear that median wages have stagnated for decades? Half the country is now poor or low-income? The disabled get $700 a month to survive on? You dont want to hear it? Who do you vote for? Why vote for a corrupt system that rigs the economy in favor of the ruling donor class?
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Old 09-09-2018, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia Area
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Wage wise.

The economy has not been good for 45-50 years for anyone not in a top 20% job or prestigious profession.

I guess the 80's to early 90's were not that bad either for salary vs. cost of living.

There are a lot of reasons for this.

One obvious one is feminism which doubled the workforce.

Another is immigration which funnels a million legal immigrants a year for 53 years into the U.S. many of which, the vast majority, are low skilled workers.

And another is the very nature of the Federal Reserve fiat monetary system where creating the money causes the money already in circulation to lose value, purchasing power, and the fact that the government pays interest to the owners of the system for creating the new money. So if creating $1.00 cost us $1.02 there's .02 cents owed that does not even exist that has to be "paid back". Multiply that by billions and trillions and you have inextinguishable debt.

And of course like the first two reasons you have a modern "world economy" and the Trade agreements that Ross Perot warned about and Trump is trying to fix somewhat where you're theoretically competing with everywhere and anyone in the world where a company can move a business. And that just takes the first two reasons I mentioned and puts the issue on steroids and HGH growth hormone. (I'm looking at you Barry Bonds)

What all that means is anyone who can't manage to get into a top 20% profession or job like: Lawyer (and not all lawyers do great), Doctor, Finance/Banking/Wall Street, C.P.A., TOP salesmen in Real Estate/Insurance etc.. a job as a teacher or administrator in a "good" or wealthy school district and some technology jobs like computer science/ google/ face book etc... or a good blue collar union job is basically up the creek without a paddle. And that's not going to change anytime soon. Trump is doing what he can to mitigate or correct some of this but he's fighting a forest fire with a water pistol.
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Old 09-09-2018, 02:48 PM
 
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Same old story, the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer, except that we are
practically back to a Caste system society now.
It is a tale of epic sadness that some people could work full time jobs and still struggle to feed their families and sometimes still end up homeless.
America should be better than this.
Reminder it was 7 years into Obama's power when the middleclass was no longer the largest class.

That's not a record for success. Its a record on the failure of Obama policy.

Think about it. The wealthy increased. The poor increased. The middleclass decreased.

Trump if given the same amount of time will be successful or not. Its unknow yet.

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Old 09-09-2018, 02:51 PM
 
Location: In a George Strait Song
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You are underestimating genes which we have no control over. Same with the first couple of years in a child's life. You have less control than you think you have.

You dont want to hear that median wages have stagnated for decades? Half the country is now poor or low-income? The disabled get $700 a month to survive on? You dont want to hear it? Who do you vote for? Why vote for a corrupt system that rigs the economy in favor of the ruling donor class?
Do you truly believe parenting makes no difference? I don't buy that for a second. Of course we can't control our children's innate intelligence, but parents can model and help shape a child's work ethic, ambition, values, etc.

Are you trying to tell me that the situation was better under Obama, or would have been better under Hillary? Trump is the one on whose watch AA and Hispanic unemployment are at all time lows. Trump is the one bringing back jobs that Obama was said were gone forever. Trump is the one under whom business confidence is soaring, when it was Obama who said Americans had to get used to the new normal.

I never one said not to help the disabled. Go back about 3 posts and look for yourself.

The truth is that we have a shortage of unskilled workers. And guess which President is addressing technical
training? That's right, Trump.
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