Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Note that the initiative does not ban semiautomatic style weapons. It regulates, as has been done, and presumably upheld by courts, in other states. Also it is my understanding that I-1639 only apples to rifles, not to handguns. I'm not sure why, or what the technical differences are. My view would be that an assault style weapon is an assault style weapon, whether rifle or handgun. Both can kill you.
The bill you are so fond of does indeed include handguns.
An actor? Lol. One of the most hypocritical groups regarding firearms out there are actors. Many (like James Bond actors) profit greatly from their gratutious gun violence and glorification on screen, yet rail against guns all the same. Most of them do not know jack about guns either.
Keanu Reeves is one of the few exceptions that I can think of. He knows firearms.
Note that the initiative does not ban semiautomatic style weapons. It regulates, as has been done, and presumably upheld by courts, in other states. Also it is my understanding that I-1639 only apples to rifles, not to handguns. I'm not sure why, or what the technical differences are. My view would be that an assault style weapon is an assault style weapon, whether rifle or handgun. Both can kill you. ]
You really need to polish up on the topic before you comment. You don't appear to have basically, any knowledge on firearms. No insult intended. We all want a safer society but fear and boogey men don't help us at all.
Cut him a break, he is just a citizen. He seems calm. It's when legislators that have no clue (nor want to learn) about firearms start angrily passing stupid laws is when we need to be concerned.
A few years ago I heard it said that Washington had the highest per-capita NRA membership of any state. Undeniably, the state has traditionally opposed common-sense gun safety. A democratic governor even signed into law legalization of silencers in 2011. I don't know who needs a silencer other than an assassin or a gangster. I know that silencers were very popular among NY mafia back in the heyday of the Gambinos etc.
But the climate here has improved. I credit an influx of well-educated Californians, and well-informed millennial tech workers. Initiative 594, to mandate universal background checks, passed 59-40% in 2014. A coalition of concerned citizens, including Bill Gates, Paul Allen, Steve Ballmer, and Nick Hanauer (Amazon investor) generously donated to get it passed.
Now we have Initiative 1639, to restrict assault-style weapons. It's a good first step. There has always been confusion about the definition of 'assault style weapon.' I-1639 defines all semi-automatic style weapons as assault weapons. From the initiative: https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_I..._Measure_(2018)
I'm not a gun expert, so this is all Greek to me, but I'm told that this definition encompasses all semi-automatic-style weapons. This greatly simplifies things. No longer to police have to wonder whether the gun with the 'barrel shroud' is legal or not. The one thing I wish they had included is regulation of the high magazine clips. I think that is key, but they left it off.
Based on recent voting trends in the state, I think this will easily pass. Finally we will be on the road to common sense gun safety, as other advanced states such as California and New York.
You sound like a glorious party member. Are you issued uniforms and learn to march in mass assemblies?
Especially like your misunderstanding of weapons components and the serious nature of our Constitution.
You are Greek to me as well.
All of this may be on point, but it does not negate the fact that we still need to enact common-sense gun legislation. Other efforts to define 'assault weapon' have failed, in part I think due to the complexity of these high-tech-style weapons.
When the 1994 assault weapon ban(AWB) was passed, it was reported that many gun makers simply slightly changed their designs to comply, and the mass slaughters went on. IIRC Columbine was carried out with AWB compliant weapons.
Something clearly needs to be done. What is your suggestion?
Rescind all restrictions, and keep non-participants like you from dictating behavior.
I always get a kick out of your dog-whistle: "common sense"!
Cut him a break, he is just a citizen. He seems calm. It's when legislators that have no clue (nor want to learn) about firearms start angrily passing stupid laws is when we need to be concerned.
Fair enough. The lesson here is not to trust politicians? I think we can agree on that.
BTW, should mention that the initiative was already challenged in court, and a judge struck it down, saying that the drafters had not followed the law regarding the format of initiatives. That was appealed to the state Supreme Court, which reversed the decision, putting the initiative back on the ballot. I heard a UW law professor say that the court has always be reluctant to take initiatives off of the ballot. But no doubt it will be challenged again after the election if it passes.
Note that the initiative does not ban semiautomatic style weapons. It regulates, as has been done, and presumably upheld by courts, in other states. Also it is my understanding that I-1639 only apples to rifles, not to handguns. I'm not sure why, or what the technical differences are. My view would be that an assault style weapon is an assault style weapon, whether rifle or handgun. Both can kill you. As a James Bond actor once said:
One would think James Bond would qualify as an expert on weapons, no?
The people on the eastern side of your state do not agree with you though.
well they are the minority and we live in a democracy so they will just have to accept that.
I would be fine splitting the state in two, not out of malice but to allow the east to run it's own affairs as it sees fit. But as it stands the majority would like to see more balance in gun law, just as we have laws to protect the public from unsafe cars etc....
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
