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He was a legal US resident entitled to certain US protections and was just kidnapped, dismembered inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. The US president and administration, with their pockets stuffed with Saudi money, pretended they didn't see the obvious.
Now Khashoggi is no small fry - he was a well connected individual. If the administration can pretend they see nothing and buy the "dog ate my homework" excuse given by MBS, then that means none of you have any protection. Just imagine if Saudi Arabia decided to kidnap you, dismember you etc and the US government just turns the other way and continues business as usual - because that's exactly what would happen.
Your government is only beholden to $$$, no actual moral values. How sad, how repugnant. But go ahead, and defend a government who wouldn't defend you.
While a foreign legal resident on US soil, yes, he is entitled to degree of US protection, and he was successfully protected while here. However, he was not a US citizen and therefore, no, he is not entitled to the same protections from the US as one of our citizens while on other foreign soil. That isn’t just a matter of US public policy but also international laws. While what happened to him is heinous, it is matter between Turkey and Saudi Arabia in the same way as it would be with any other Saudi Arabian citizen. We have limited rights to interfere, we can try to do it anyway by attempting economic pressure but that is pretty toothless in a country like Saudi Arabia that can do just fine economically without us.
He should have never left US soil. You can’t practice American style “freedom of the press” to effectively counter your home country’s autarchical crown prince’s PR campaign while sitting safely in America then expect to leave that protective cocoon and operate as if you are no different than any other tourist. Khashoggi was a prime example of the kind of person political asylum was actually designed to cover. He did not choose to request that protection. One thing his death has led to is an increase of requests for asylum from Saudis who are legal residents in Western nations.
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If Obama was still president , the leftist on here would be howling about it not being our business and we should stay out of the affairs of foreign countries.
And the media would have stopped reporting about it the day after it happened.
"If Obama was still president" is the key here.
If Obama was still president , the leftist on here would be howling about it not being our business and we should stay out of the affairs of foreign countries.
And the media would have stopped reporting about it the day after it happened.
"If Obama was still president" is the key here.
Obama would have at least condemned the murder. Trump and Pompeo not only won't condemn it they won't even admit that it happened. "Maybe he did and maybe he didn't".
Obama would have at least condemned the murder. Trump and Pompeo not only won't condemn it they won't even admit that it happened. "Maybe he did and maybe he didn't".
Yeah, the issue isn't whether or not we condemn the Sauds. The issue is "Is Trump making decisions based on U.S. interests, or based on his OWN BUSINESS interests?" It seems pretty clear that his refusal to condemn the Saudi leadership - like his reluctance to criticize Putin - is based on his PERSONAL desire to make money in those countries. He doesn't dare do anything to tick off their leadership because he want's to be personally on friendly terms so that his company can make business deals with them. This is the reason it's a BAD idea to have an international businessman as President - especially one who won't completely separate himself from his business. The President is supposed to pursue AMERICA'S interests - not his own BUSINESS' interests. Trump is doing the exact opposite.
Uhhh...Doesn't every President have lots of business-related stuff going on? Foreigners included.
No.......
HOW any businesses does Trump brag he has?
HOW does that compare to any other President?
Trump claims to be a billionaire - how many other Presidents made that claim?
Trump constantly brags about how many business dealings he has - except when those business interests tie him to possible corruption, then he suddenly has "nothing to do" with those kinds of business interests. He bragged about all the money he makes selling condos to Russians, then turned around and claimed he "has nothing to do" with Russia.
So which is it?
Was Trump lying when he claimed he makes all that money selling condos to Russians?
Or was Trump lying when he says he has nothing to do with Russia?
Same thing with the Sauds. They spend tons of money in his hotels. So, is he making decisions about Saudi sanctions based on what is right for America to do, or is he making those decision based on his desire to do personal business with them?
The CIA & FBI, led by intelligence officers and Special Agents who have decades of experience, believe MBS was directly involved with Khashoggi's murder. The CIA briefed the senate that they have "very high confidence" MBS & The Saudis ordered the hit on Khashoggi.
Donald Trump, who has zero experience in government intel, and less than two years experience as a politician, believes that the Saudis weren't involved because, Trump's exact words about MBS, "maybe he did, maybe he didn't."
The CIA & FBI, led by intelligence officers and Special Agents who have decades of experience, believe MBS was directly involved with Khashoggi's murder. The CIA briefed the senate that they have "very high confidence" MBS & The Saudis ordered the hit on Khashoggi.
No. Like the screams of Khashoggi being dismembered. Hard to argue with facts. Get real.
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