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Old 10-14-2018, 08:02 PM
 
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This really sums up the difference between right and left leaning folks. Left leaning folks fight for a better world right leaning folks defend the status quo cause you know life isn't fair .
No, the difference between the leftist mindset and conservative position is that the leftist ideology ALWAYS PRODUCES the exact opposite of what was claimed to be the goal. In fact, it produces more of the thing it was supposed to reduce or eliminate. That you never learn this lesson, tends to support those on the right that suggest liberalism is a form of mental illness, or at least delusional thinking.

You know, it all “sounds good” ... like caring for the homeless. Most people who are not sociopaths or psychopaths have good hearts, and are compassionate, and not against caring for people in need. The problem is, the rational and logical people understand that when you enable a situation, you don’t solve it, you grow it. It becomes bigger. The liberal then demands more resources to combat the growing problem that their policies actually enabled.

That truly is insane.
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Old 10-14-2018, 08:03 PM
 
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Agreed. That's why I don't like to hear about how someone is entitled to put their hands on me.
Who thinks that?
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Old 10-14-2018, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I suppose the disconnect between our views boils down to my complete and total rejection of the constant whining about how life isn’t fair for certain individuals that believe that they are entitled to something, when the reality is, the world doesn’t owe them a damn thing.
But society does. Mutual Aid exists out of self benefit. When there is enough to feed and shelter everyone, and all get to live amongst such material protection, the world changes as well.

Having a horizontal power structure where communities produce as to be self sustaining is the only model that offers true freedom and is self sustaining in the long run.
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Old 10-14-2018, 08:07 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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Who thinks that?
Authoritarians.
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Old 10-14-2018, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I remember this guy back when right wing talk radio was a bit more intellectual. Now he's just aiming for the gullible of the sound byte generation. Before I deleted Facebook my aunt would post this garbage all day long. The one that struck me the most was a Jew (Prager) hiring a black actress to defend the KKK's position on Confederate monuments which just reminded me what a total bizarro world wingnuts now inhabit.
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Old 10-14-2018, 08:13 PM
 
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But society does. Mutual Aid exists out of self benefit. When there is enough to feed and shelter everyone, and all get to live amongst such material protection, the world changes as well.

Having a horizontal power structure where communities produce as to be self sustaining is the only model that offers true freedom and is self sustaining in the long run.

Please provide one example of such a "horizontal power structure" that is "self sustaining in the long run".
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Old 10-14-2018, 08:24 PM
 
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But society does. Mutual Aid exists out of self benefit. When there is enough to feed and shelter everyone, and all get to live amongst such material protection, the world changes as well.

Having a horizontal power structure where communities produce as to be self sustaining is the only model that offers true freedom and is self sustaining in the long run.

No, absolutely not. “Society” ( which I assume to mean the rest of us) do not owe you a thing ... if anything, YOU OWE IT to society to be self sufficient, and productive, so that you are a valuable, contributing member, rather than a burden.

Of course there are exceptions and instances where, through no fault of your own, you experience hard times because of some disaster that befalls you ... a natural disaster, and medical disaster, which severely limits your capacity to be self sufficient. In such instances, it would indeed be a moral obligation for society to assist.

That does not include instances where poor choices and lack of personal responsibility created your hard times.

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Old 10-14-2018, 08:45 PM
 
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Authoritarians.
Who, in your opinion represents authoritarians?
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Old 10-14-2018, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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No, absolutely not. “Society” ( which I assume to mean the rest of us) do not owe you a thing ... if anything, YOU OWE IT to society to be self sufficient, and productive, so that you are a valuable, contributing member, rather than a burden.
Self sufficiency is the point of anarcho syndicalism. People produce what they get, and all production centers produce in excess what the community needs based off of demand.
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Old 10-14-2018, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Please provide one example of such a "horizontal power structure" that is "self sustaining in the long run".
The Zapatistas.
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