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Using any kind of intoxicant is not being responsible. Want to fry your brain using intoxicants, feel free but I will step over the residual mess lying in the gutter without a second thought and laugh at the "responsible" person.
For most people who use of alcohol and drugs, ending up in some proverbial gutter, just isn't an issue.
For those that do, it's their life.
As a nanny stater, it makes sense that you seem to think you have a special understanding of what responsible means -your type are working hard to make the world a sterile, homogeneous place, where people are criminalized for the crime of being the owner of their own mind and body.
Oh, hell no. What is "uncultivated" to someone else is my carefully stewarded forest. I'm the one paying property tax on it, and despite the fact that it looks wild, we select harvest some trees and control for pests.
<shrug> Don't buy forest in Norway or Sweden, then.
We went all over England this year. In the northern farm country there was mile upon mile of open fields divided by hedgerows. There, anyone is allowed to cross anyone else’s land. The only rule is you must close the gate behind you.
I think that’s nice. I am not in favor of invading the privacy of property owners, but If I owned forested land, for example, I wouldn’t mind if someone wanted to walk through it.
Yah thats because all land belonged to the King...that's the UK concept of private property. It is yours, as long as you keep the king's favor.
The British people still have the mental attitude and temperament of the peasants they once were.
Yah thats because all land belonged to the King...that's the UK concept of private property. It is yours, as long as you keep the king's favor.
The British people still have the mental attitude and temperament of the peasants they once were.
Well except the poster you're replying to is mistaken, but don't let facts stand in the way of getting a good hate on.
Depends on the state, of course. Many states have "open beaches" laws that allow the public to use the beach up to the seaward vegetation line, or whatever marker may be set forth in said law.
There are not too many states that permit private beaches on the oceanfront. I can't think of any offhand, although there may be one or two that do.
Purchasers looking to acquire beachfront property in any given state should familiarize themselves with the pertinent statutes prior to closing.
I could be wrong, but I don't think there are any beaches in the US that allow "private beaches" past whatever marker. I know that some private gated communities in California, for example, make it very difficult for people to use "their" beach (no easy access), but if someone manages to walk over...or snorkel/or windsurf/or whatever they have the right to be on that beach up to a certain area.
I could be wrong, but I don't think there are any beaches in the US that allow "private beaches" past whatever marker.
That "marker" is usually the mean high water mark (19 year National Tidal Datum Epoch average), but in a few states (Virginia, Massachusetts, Delaware, Maine, Pennsylvania) it's the mean low water mark line. The bottom line is what's on your recorded plat of survey? It details the private property and any easements (such as utility). Note that in cities and suburbs which have such, the parkways (land between the sidewalks and the streets in front of each property) are usually owned by the local government and therefore not included in the plat of survey's boundary lines, and not taxed.
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I know that some private gated communities in California, for example, make it very difficult for people to use "their" beach (no easy access), but if someone manages to walk over...or snorkel/or windsurf/or whatever they have the right to be on that beach up to a certain area.
Exactly. Here's a list/map of public use easements, and properties that have no public use easements easements, for a section of California's coast:
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Reason: Added Delaware, Maine, and Pennsylvania to the few states where the public beach marker is the mean LOW water mark
Up until now you sort of evaded the question by just repeating your last sentence.
This time you've stated "No" you were not aware.
So this means you had absolutely no idea from any source whatsoever that this is and has been an ongoing issue?
No. And how would I? Even in very liberal California, private property boundaries are respected. You can't trespass on anyone else's privately owned property unless there's a public use easement of legal record. See the link in my prior post.
No. And how would I? Even in very liberal California, private property boundaries are respected. You can't trespass on anyone else's privately owned property unless there's a public use easement of legal record. See the link in my prior post.
The 'how would I?" is answered by the fact that I don't own beach front but have read and/or heard about the issue for many years ...sort of a 'public knowledge" thing to many people in states with coastal property.
Sorry if that wasn't the case with you.
It is a problematic thing on both sides.
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