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Old 10-17-2018, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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The money corporations used to pay in taxes will be used for business expansion, hiring more people and raising wages, thus increasing tax revenue (both corporate and personal income).

You are mistaken.

Stock buybacks, no increase in wages. Income loss from Corp. Taxes not being offset. It seems that instead of that the CEO's are getting richer as buybacks have cut the amount of stacks available increasing each share value.
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Old 10-17-2018, 11:41 AM
 
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There were even more new jobs being added before the tax cuts took effect.
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0..._view=net_1mth
The cycle high for job creation was 2014.

The closer we get to full employment the more meaningless your argument.
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Old 10-17-2018, 11:44 AM
 
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You are mistaken.

Stock buybacks, no increase in wages. Income loss from Corp. Taxes not being offset. It seems that instead of that the CEO's are getting richer as buybacks have cut the amount of stacks available increasing each share value.

Why is the stock market not responding and shooting up like a rocket ?
Stock buybacks suggest that is what should be happening.
Stock buybacks drive the stock price higher don't they ?
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Old 10-17-2018, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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The closer we get to full employment the more meaningless your argument.
It was not me who first made the argument, it was Listener2307.
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Old 10-17-2018, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Why is the stock market not responding and shooting up like a rocket ?
Stock buybacks suggest that is what should be happening.
Stock buybacks drive the stock price higher don't they ?
Because, in spite of the buybacks, the stock market is starting to price in an upcoming recession.
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Old 10-17-2018, 11:52 AM
 
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You know what happens after record highs right? Pretty much regardless of who is in charge.
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Old 10-17-2018, 11:57 AM
 
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The money corporations used to pay in taxes will be used for business expansion, hiring more people and raising wages, thus increasing tax revenue (both corporate and personal income).
BULL.

you are simply parroting the Mitch and Ryan's made up nonsense.


All the data shows the tax cuts went directly to share holders through divs and retained profits....


https://www.nbcnews.com/business/eco...mounts-n886621

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/now-...-tax-cuts.html


https://observer.com/2018/08/trump-t...tock-buybacks/


https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/...g-their-t.aspx




There is a mountain of proof that the money has gone to share buybacks and there is another mountain of proof that shows those buy backs don't go to the bottom 90% they go to those holding the wealth and almost all of it goes to the top 0.5%... (ie not you or me)

the idea that real wages will shoot up as a result is more bs. Never has before and likely never will.
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Old 10-17-2018, 11:59 AM
 
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Because, in spite of the buybacks, the stock market is starting to price in an upcoming recession.
The money is either there and driving the stock price up or its not.
The reallocation of money suggest it isn't there.

Reallocation was one of the reasons given for a pullback after the all time high.
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Old 10-17-2018, 12:04 PM
 
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The money is either there and driving the stock price up or its not.
The reallocation of money suggest it isn't there.

Reallocation was one of the reasons given for a pullback after the all time high.
nonsense.

the buy backs are generally considered not to be a good use of monies. half a trillion in buy back might have simply supported the market and helped prevent a fall. there is NO REASON to believe they did or did not.


What we know is that the market has been flat for the year and there was a big increase in buybacks. fact.
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Old 10-17-2018, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Why is the stock market not responding and shooting up like a rocket ?
Stock buybacks suggest that is what should be happening.
Stock buybacks drive the stock price higher don't they ?
Have you missed the last year of stock markets. Less number of shares available make for inflated prices. Allowing for CEO compensation to climb. The employee's below the top floor see none of it.


Now you are seeing the results as Hedge funds start to drop out of business. They know when its time to close of shop and distribute to their customers.
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