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Utter garbage. And if the Mexicans start lobbing tear gas back?
The US should simply set up a suitable holding facility. Load the caravan on buses and hold them until hearings are held. We are behaving like a banana republic not a leading nation.
So now the argument is that it's illegal to fire tear gas across the border? Was that legal under the Obama administration?
Holding facilities cost money and since there are thousands in these caravans it would take a long time to hear all their cases. We already have a back log of 750,000 asylum cases to be heard. What makes it even more ridiculous is that 90% of them will be denied anyway and in the meantime we have to foot the bill for their upkeep.
Cons: "Democrats are the party of open borders."
Libs: "No we're not. That's a lie. Stop lying, you lying liar."
Cons: "Here's a photo of the DNC co-chair wearing a t-shirt that literally says 'I don't believe in borders.'"
Libs: "Oh, come on. That's hyperbole. No one actually supports open borders as a policy."
Cons: "Ok, so can we build a wall to secure the border?"
Libs: "Nope. It would be ugly. Also, people could use ladders. Also, animals might be inconvenienced."
Cons: "All right, how about we use the military to secure the border?"
Libs: "No way. Our military belongs in the middle east."
Cons: "Well, when illegals try to rush the border, can the border patrol use tear gas to repel them?"
Libs: "So, you want to gas people now? Like the Nazis!?"
Cons: "Ok, when we catch a family trying to sneak over the border, can we detain them?"
Libs: "Heavens no. They should be released into the interior of the country. Think of the children."
Cons: "All right, when the cops arrest someone whom they suspect of being in the country illegally, should they be able to call ICE to investigate the matter?"
Libs: "Nope! In fact, that should be against the law. Immigration enforcement is for the feds, not local cops."
Cons: "I see. Well, since immigration enforcement is a federal issue, you're OK with ICE rounding up illegals and deporting them, right?"
Libs: "Nah. In fact we should just abolish ICE."
Cons: "Let me ask you something. Do you think there should be any numerical limits on immigration at all?"
Libs: "No. Everyone who wants to come here for a better life should be able to."
Cons: …
Libs: "But we're not for open borders!"
This is an irrational fear. For how long have people been "breaching the border"? Many years. And yet there is no epidemic of tuberculosis in the United States. Outbreaks of vaccine-preventable illnesses have started in places like Disneyland (where I doubt there are too many poor migrants spending their days) and in Amish communities (again, no Honduran migrants have infiltrated these communities). They are largely prevented here because most of our children are vaccinated. And actually, vaccination rates in many of the countries where the migrants are coming from are also pretty high. The World Health Organization keeps track of that sort of thing.
Of all the things to fear or worry about, catching AIDS or hepatitis or tuberculosis or a killer cold from some random migrant really doesn't need to be on anyone's list.
Well fine then. Since there is little to no risk by not vetting Immigrants for communicable diseases then let's just save ourselves some tax dollars and not make legal immigrants have medical exams either before allowed entry. While we're at it lets eliminate background checks for criminality to. Are you happy now?
Cons: "Democrats are the party of open borders."
Libs: "No we're not. That's a lie. Stop lying, you lying liar."
Cons: "Here's a photo of the DNC co-chair wearing a t-shirt that literally says 'I don't believe in borders.'"
Libs: "Oh, come on. That's hyperbole. No one actually supports open borders as a policy."
Cons: "Ok, so can we build a wall to secure the border?"
Libs: "Nope. It would be ugly. Also, people could use ladders. Also, animals might be inconvenienced."
Cons: "All right, how about we use the military to secure the border?"
Libs: "No way. Our military belongs in the middle east."
Cons: "Well, when illegals try to rush the border, can the border patrol use tear gas to repel them?"
Libs: "So, you want to gas people now? Like the Nazis!?"
Cons: "Ok, when we catch a family trying to sneak over the border, can we detain them?"
Libs: "Heavens no. They should be released into the interior of the country. Think of the children."
Cons: "All right, when the cops arrest someone whom they suspect of being in the country illegally, should they be able to call ICE to investigate the matter?"
Libs: "Nope! In fact, that should be against the law. Immigration enforcement is for the feds, not local cops."
Cons: "I see. Well, since immigration enforcement is a federal issue, you're OK with ICE rounding up illegals and deporting them, right?"
Libs: "Nah. In fact we should just abolish ICE."
Cons: "Let me ask you something. Do you think there should be any numerical limits on immigration at all?"
Libs: "No. Everyone who wants to come here for a better life should be able to."
Cons: …
Libs: "But we're not for open borders!"
you pretty much sum it up the modern democrats ideology.
This is an irrational fear. For how long have people been "breaching the border"? Many years. And yet there is no epidemic of tuberculosis in the United States. Outbreaks of vaccine-preventable illnesses have started in places like Disneyland (where I doubt there are too many poor migrants spending their days) and in Amish communities (again, no Honduran migrants have infiltrated these communities). They are largely prevented here because most of our children are vaccinated. And actually, vaccination rates in many of the countries where the migrants are coming from are also pretty high. The World Health Organization keeps track of that sort of thing.
Of all the things to fear or worry about, catching AIDS or hepatitis or tuberculosis or a killer cold from some random migrant really doesn't need to be on anyone's list.
Then why in the hell if someone wants to immigrate to the US, they are made to go through a medical exam?
Utter garbage. And if the Mexicans start lobbing tear gas back?
The US should simply set up a suitable holding facility. Load the caravan on buses and hold them until hearings are held. We are behaving like a banana republic not a leading nation.
Or, they can just come into the country legally, like many other people do. Has to be one hell of a mental defect not to understand the concept about entering a country legally.
These people are not special, certainly not more special than those who enter the country legally.
Cons: "Democrats are the party of open borders."
Libs: "No we're not. That's a lie. Stop lying, you lying liar."
Cons: "Here's a photo of the DNC co-chair wearing a t-shirt that literally says 'I don't believe in borders.'"
Libs: "Oh, come on. That's hyperbole. No one actually supports open borders as a policy."
Cons: "Ok, so can we build a wall to secure the border?"
Libs: "Nope. It would be ugly. Also, people could use ladders. Also, animals might be inconvenienced."
Cons: "All right, how about we use the military to secure the border?"
Libs: "No way. Our military belongs in the middle east."
Cons: "Well, when illegals try to rush the border, can the border patrol use tear gas to repel them?"
Libs: "So, you want to gas people now? Like the Nazis!?"
Cons: "Ok, when we catch a family trying to sneak over the border, can we detain them?"
Libs: "Heavens no. They should be released into the interior of the country. Think of the children."
Cons: "All right, when the cops arrest someone whom they suspect of being in the country illegally, should they be able to call ICE to investigate the matter?"
Libs: "Nope! In fact, that should be against the law. Immigration enforcement is for the feds, not local cops."
Cons: "I see. Well, since immigration enforcement is a federal issue, you're OK with ICE rounding up illegals and deporting them, right?"
Libs: "Nah. In fact we should just abolish ICE."
Cons: "Let me ask you something. Do you think there should be any numerical limits on immigration at all?"
Libs: "No. Everyone who wants to come here for a better life should be able to."
Cons: …
Libs: "But we're not for open borders!"
I agree it is the truth, it is however the future, like it or not. It is profitable, just like free trade is profitable, so long as you are in better position for it. Even Trump would flip on his immigration stand if he is able to stay in power for a second period. Why? Because his job is to serve big business interest, not the people.
Originally Posted by exm View Post
Those tourist don't go to our schools, hospitals or most other facilities. They also pass a border entry point where they can be denied access if they're sick.
Exactly. And your response was;
"Really? When is the last time you saw a Doctor at an airport doing health exams on people arriving from other countries?"
So please tell me where the post you responded to mentioned anything about doctors or exams. It said you must pass by a border entry point. And that is true. Have you never been out of the country? You walk up to an immigration officer and show your papers and he often asks you a few questions about where you've been and what you were doing. If you were to be hacking and wheezing and looking in poor health, he could very well send you to a room for further screening. And that reveals you are too sick you can be denied entry. Fact.
The only time that the health of a visitor entering the US is scrutinized is when there is a public health warning about a communicable disease like Ebola. In the absence of that customs officials don't make judgments about your health.
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