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Old 10-21-2018, 08:47 AM
 
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Here are all of the Sears and Kmarts left in the U.S.

Sears built the American Department Store Concept and Programming.

IF ... Sears decided to sell "American Made Products" as 90% of its Product Line... and do what it did in earlier times which was "develop and set standards for product quality" that is to go into its stores. It would invigorate American Small Business and American Industry, to produce "quality products"... and thus give a Re-boot to American Industry as a Manufacturer of Durable Quality Goods.

People would pay a higher price for a Durable High Quality Goods. People will find and save for the means to buy "Durable Quality Goods' and they would love the concept of "repairable goods". This means American Producers could not only sell Durable Quality Goods, they could sell "repairable goods" which means they can also gain profit from "replacement parts". This is the system that built, sustained and provided the means of industrial Growth in America. It also was the basis of the 10's of millions of people having jobs, in the "product repair industry".

As for K-Mart, it has always been a "lower quality product seller" therefore it can sell "imported goods", as well as "lower standard of quality American produced goods', that does not have the life-cycle, nor the quality standards of what is sold in Sears Stores.

It's not all about "price" if that was the case, Mercedes and other Brands that cost more would have no market, but they have a market, because people will buy the Higher Quality More Durable Products.

Even Foreign Countries when they did not have much money Post World War II, found the money to buy American Durable, High Quality and Repairable Goods.

We see the same principle still active today in the sale of Military Equipment to Foreign Nations, they buy it because it is Durable, High Quality and has available "replacement parts".

More Americans would Shop Sears, because they know buying a Durable, High Quality Product means they don't have to waste their money every six or so months replacing it. As New models come out, then Sears can move its older inventory over to K-Mart and have a solid outlet to sell those products as a liquidated cost.

Its the exact same principle as to why people will buy a Samsung TV over an RCA, because the Samsung Product is known to be made with superior parts and noted for its higher standards, and people will and do pay the cost to have it.

Instead of American companies Licensing the Production of American Brand Nations, to foreign nations for production at lower quality standards. American companies could license their Brands to American manufactures and producers with a "higher quality standards' and have those products produced in America to a higher standards. They would be more motivated to know, the product is repairable with American Made high quality replacement parts.

Everybody does not buy based on cheap price... regardless of their income level. People will save up for what they want, or buy on Credit Terms, to have the better quality products.

We see that with the Cell Phone, people will buy Apple and Samsung, because they fell its high quality. The problem is... Apple dupes them with a new model every six-nine months.
If the same product was produced in America, with upgrade parts and upgrade software and upgrade parts, then people would buy it. and when they wanted to buy the Latest product, they would trade up and buy that as well, if they can get the same options for replacement parts, upgrade parts and software updates.

Our Education System, need to think in terms of "product quality and durability" rather than low quality to drive the intent to frequently repurchase.

That Principle is what led America to be the Industrial Capital of the World post World War II.... it changed when American began to seek "slave wage labor on foreign soil", because it did not want to pay equal wages to women and minorities in the American Industrial Sector.

It is not cheaper to build over-seas, because first its built to a lower standards, and for every dollar of profit made, cost American three or more dollars in decline. It is decline of the purchasing power of the wage earner, because their wages don't increase, it means less re-circulation of American money in America, which diminishes the benefits of the tax revenue that is used for Infrastructure, and civic and societal support by tax funds to help build up and maintain our municipalities and it means, debt increases because our money flows out of the country, rather than circulate several more times within the country.

Sears could become a "leader" if it changes it paradigm. American has the capacity of many clothing designers, and we have the capability and the technology to weave and manufacture any type of cloth that designers need and utilize.

Instead of mass importing "end user products"... our Imports would be centered around "raw materials"... and out exports would be centered around the exportation of 'Superior High Quality, Durable and Repairable Goods.

But, it won't happen as long as our Education system continues to teach and live by the "greed and gouge principles". It won't happen until Americans become a more intelligent society, to understand these things.

We've been misled to buy "primarily disposable goods'.... it damages out resources, it damages out landfills, and it damaged and cost us losses that are devastating to our potential for growth and stability. and it contributes to our unemployment and lowered wage structure.

Sears and J.C. Penny's need NEW LEADERSHIPS that Leads with a respect for American Consumers, American Workers and American Product Producers...

We allowed the destruction of Legacy American Brands... when we accepted their aims to sell us low quality, non durable products produced on foreign lands, by the directives of lower quality components and shorter life cycles.

American people can build and Assemble Cell Phones, and American people can build and Assemble Computers, we've been duped to think and believe Americans are incapable and without the intellect to build these products. We've been duped to think that Corporate Greed is good for us, when it has taken everything from us and devastated everything from jobs, benefits and pensions and still they want to sell us nothing but low quality, non durable goods,IMPORTED GOODS while reaping profits for the executives and pay executives 350 times more than employees to assure they continue to dupe us. Then they tell us that the "trading frenzy of the stock market is what matters most"... when stocks are over valued, and do not tell the truth of the condition of America, nor the condition of American corporations. It only tells us, that the "Casino Games the Stock Market has become, tells us how much the wealthy fleece the people on a daily and quarterly basis. It is no longer about "honest" product and sales measure... Its about "Speculation" built on nothing but promoting "trading frenzy" and borrowing against 'fake valuation", while taking on "debt it can't pay off".
so we see "mergers and acquisition built on debt, that is by design destined to destroy the company acquired. We are led to accept the destruction of competition, as they navigate around the Anti-Monopoly laws and set up "Monopoly conglomerates through "holding companies".... calming not to be the "Monopoly they are designed to be.

We must become a more informed society, more learned, and more aware of what is being done to the American people, the American Industry, the American Cities, the American Communities and the American Civil , Civic and Industrial system... then we can understand how that has perverted out politics, and voided out the voice of the people, by the voice and vote of the people being sold off to the highest lobbyist bidder, who bids against American Stability and the American citizen population.


Sear's has a way forward, but not under the current leadership of Sears.

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American can product some of the best and most durable products in the world, if only we believe in ourselves to do so. Stop listening to the "Greed Trained Talking Heads that Tell Us Otherwise".
We must learn to push legislation that put the Regulatory Controls of American Companies, and American Merchandise Industry, to ensure All American Produced Products are done so, to the Highest Standards, Durability and Quality Controls.

No Foreign Country can meet those Standards of Durability and Quality and still afford the expense to ship such products to America and sell it for a lower price than it can be bought in America. The shipping cost and Quota Management would make it by all practical business principles impossible.

Other nations would buy what we export because they can rely on it to be the same quality and durable and reparable standards... as they bought before we entered this mess of saturating our nations with non durable, low quality and non repairable disposable products.

 
Old 10-21-2018, 08:55 AM
 
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Couldn't get through your dissertation so I'll just address your original postulate.

Neither will be selling anything for very much longer. The Sears/K-Mart merger was dumb. It was worse than dumb actually. Neither entity will exist in five, more likely three, years.

Sears has nothing now. The brand it should have kept, Craftsman, was sold off for short term reasons, sacrificing long term solvency. It, along with Kenmore, could have been the nucleus around which Sears reinvented itself. They didn't.

Instead you had a Barbarian at the Gate take over the company and slit its throat. What you're seeing now is the last of the blood draining out of the corpse.
 
Old 10-21-2018, 09:28 AM
 
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Couldn't get through your dissertation so I'll just address your original postulate.

Neither will be selling anything for very much longer. The Sears/K-Mart merger was dumb. It was worse than dumb actually. Neither entity will exist in five, more likely three, years.

Sears has nothing now. The brand it should have kept, Craftsman, was sold off for short term reasons, sacrificing long term solvency. It, along with Kenmore, could have been the nucleus around which Sears reinvented itself. They didn't.

Instead you had a Barbarian at the Gate take over the company and slit its throat. What you're seeing now is the last of the blood draining out of the corpse.
My post is about "options of how to turn Sears around, and make corrections for the wrongs and bad direction it took, decades ago.

Sadly, there is not the Idealism for a Paradigm change, when the pool where executives are chosen is from a "clone scripting system of clone making of potential executives".

The purchase of K-Mart was a major blunder, but it could be corrected after all the damage which has resulted, but America does not Educate its Business people to think of Business Stability, it about "chase the stock ticker" and convince themselves that the stock ticker is not the fiction it has become. The program of "Greed Chasing" is what is taught today. We are lucky, only because of the Government that we can even trust the products being sold today.

Early Producers in America produced quality, because the Creators had their personal reputation tied into their brand.... none of these Executives today, created anything. They jump from company to company purely for the money. The people who created Sears had a vested interested and their integrity and character was interwoven into their business model.

Today's, executives are beholding to the stock ticker, and think the investors is more important than the integrity and quality standards of the business. This is the result of "greed training".... these people actually bought into the "Michael Douglas movie line of "Greed is Good"..... It has influenced generations since its utterance... and resulted in continual devastation of America's Legacy Brands and Business Models.

They have suffered and makes America suffer because their inability to change and adapt and sustain quality standards in the process.

Example: Western Electric that use to make Telephones, kept making "analog phone" when digital technology had transformed the industry years ahead, and they continued to make analog phones that no one wanted. GE, and RCA and other American brands, abandoned Quality Standards, and went to licensing with low quality non durable producers on foreign lands, and thought people would be dumb enough to buy it on brand name only. They underestimated people, and people showed their distaste for being underestimated by moving to buy brands that did have quality standards, even when it did not carry an American name. So... producers like Sony, Samsung, Visio and others took over and today, no one wants RCA.... because they know the sham it has made of itself.

We saw the same thing happen to the Auto Industry during the late 1970's throughout the entire 1980 and 1990's.... We only saw a re-emergence of the American Automobile, when President Obama helped American Auto Industry, by demanding they build quality standard automobiles as part of the Stimulus Loan Agreement. Most people don't even know that fact.... GM was mandated to elevate its quality standards, its design models, and its durability of the American Automobile. If not for that, and if America had listened to Mitt Romney, there would be no GM... and Mitt Romney would have did what made him rich, which was promote the break up and sell off of companies in pieces.

America allowed the Foreign Makers to advance above American Vehicle production in the late 1970's through the early 2000's... and now, it must compete with what it allowed.

If people remember, Hyundia's first entrant into America was a cheap car under 10K, and Honda started out with the Honda Civic Images of the First Honda's sold in America
 
Old 10-21-2018, 09:30 AM
 
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Couldn't get through your dissertation so I'll just address your original postulate.

Neither will be selling anything for very much longer. The Sears/K-Mart merger was dumb. It was worse than dumb actually. Neither entity will exist in five, more likely three, years.

Sears has nothing now. The brand it should have kept, Craftsman, was sold off for short term reasons, sacrificing long term solvency. It, along with Kenmore, could have been the nucleus around which Sears reinvented itself. They didn't.

Instead you had a Barbarian at the Gate take over the company and slit its throat. What you're seeing now is the last of the blood draining out of the corpse.
Totally agree. It's far too late to save Sears.
 
Old 10-21-2018, 09:33 AM
 
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Patriots love to flock to Walmart for cheap plastic crap. They would not save Sears if you stuck a gigantic MAGA hat on top of every Sears store and sold 100% American made if it cost 30cents more. They just buy what is cheap the whine about China and trade.
 
Old 10-21-2018, 09:35 AM
 
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Totally agree. It's far too late to save Sears.
That's not the spirit of America... Nothing is too late, when people believe in Change and Accept the Ability and Act on the means to change. Faith has always moved the world forward... When we accept "doubt" then we get what "doubt" produces, as that doubt strips us of everything.

Imagine: We can't even have a beautiful lawn, unless we maintain it, and if it goes bad, its up to us to fix it, if we want to have and maintain a beautiful lawn.... or we get the results of having a bad lawn, and maybe no lawn at all, when we doubt that it can be restored or rebuilt

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Old 10-21-2018, 09:39 AM
 
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That's not the spirit of America... Nothing is too late, when people believe in Change and Accept the Ability and Act on the means to change. Faith has always moved the world forward... When we accept "doubt" then we get what "doubt" produces, as that doubt strips us of everything.

We can't have a beautiful lawn, unless we maintain it, and if it goes bad, its up to us to fix it, if we want to have and maintain a beautiful lawn.... or we get the results of having a bad lawn, and maybe no lawn at all.
And some of us prefer to deal in reality. A lot of people of your political persuasion, as well as the other side, wanted globalism. Well, you got it and it ain't pretty. And not new.

The push for world trade started after WWII, led by the WWI and, later WWII, era Captains of Industry.
 
Old 10-21-2018, 09:42 AM
 
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I'm surprised Sears and K Mart are even still around. I don't remember the last time I went inside a Sears and I bet the last time I bought anything from them was 1999 or 2000. I still went to K Mart some after that, but almost for nostalgia reasons more than anything else. The stores looked the same in 2014 that they did in the 80s when I was a kid. I did spend some money there though in recent years. But then they closed both of the stores I would go to in Columbia.
 
Old 10-21-2018, 10:06 AM
 
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And some of us prefer to deal in reality. A lot of people of your political persuasion, as well as the other side, wanted globalism. Well, you got it and it ain't pretty. And not new.

The push for world trade started after WWII, led by the WWI and, later WWII, era Captains of Industry.
Whatever you means about "your side'... is a slant that ignores that America is a whole, regardless how some want to divide themselves as if they are above something.

Globalism has existed since "Early American Formation", that's the point and principle of "International Trade".

It was "Executive Decisions by Corporate Industry, who chose to "seek slave wage labor on Foreign Soil", and one can blame the history of American lust for slavery for that. when American's did not want to do their own labor, they sought to extract people for the purpose of slavery, and when slavery was no more allowed, American chose to seek out moving its production to foreign lands, looking for labor it could equate with no more than the cost of housing and feeding a slave on American soil.
Fair Trade has never been the true Fair Trade from an American stand point, which is evidenced by the Western Societies aims as Imperialist Agenda, upon, against and seeking dominion over other countries whom it did not respect, but sought only to 'extract resources" by the principles of greed that led Imperialist Agenda to be its go to programming.

Things don't just happen... If people who came to this land had believed in "Fair anything" it would have not only respected the native American Indians, it would have honored and had pride in Honoring the Treaties it made.

Many did not come to America for the principles of Democracy and the Fair and Equality the Premise of Democracy was principled upon in design. People mostly came for the pursuit of wealth.

That mantra spread all over Europe during the earlier centuries, of "American being paved with streets of Gold, and Every Man can be a King.... is the culprit mentality...

Because the concept of "King" means to have dominion over something!!! Democracy of America was established to void out the concept of "any King of Anything" existing in or upon American soil.

Every mans home is not his Castle, it is part of a "community", and those communities were established within a Municipal structure, with and by Regulatory Design, that a community is comprised on individuals, working as a collective through a system of taxation, where "no man is a king".

Most early arrivals had no concept of Democracy or the principles of Democracy, many brought with them, the Serf mentality, the peasant mentality and the illiteracy, and the concept of knowing in the land they came from under its Monarchical rule and Authoritarian premise, that their state and condition of live, was fixed in place.
Therefore, the premise of "Equality" was of interest to many, but the concept of "every man a King', was more so the ingrained desire to want to be kings, when they know they could never become part of Royalty nor within the Kings system of being a member of the ruling monarchy... and so they thought that having and gaining money and land would make them as "equal to what is a King" ... because they understood nothing of the responsibility and roles of what is the duty within having and being a King.

The Declaration of Independence and The Constitution:

We have no Monarchy, therefore we have no Royals in America, and to have a society that tries to infer or confer Royalty Status to people because of wealthy and celebrity, is an abomination against the Declaration of Independence, and an insult to the Constitution.
 
Old 10-21-2018, 10:11 AM
 
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In order to "save" Sears we must push for regulation?

Um, no thanks Mr. Marx.

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