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Old 10-23-2018, 05:55 PM
 
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Another bullseye on the subject of why normal Americans vote for President Trump. They aren't voting for Man of the Year, they are voting for someone who can get the job done that the voters want done: Straightening out the government, draining the swamp, stopping illegal immigration, get govt out of the way so the economy picks up again, promote U.S. ascendancy on the world stage for a change etc.

And it looks like they have made the right choice so far. With more to come in the near future.

That's bad news for the Democrats.

But then, what's good for the nation is frequently bad news for the Democrats. Maybe they should look at what they ought to do about that?

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/voters-...lts-1540241748

Voters Don’t Like Trump, Just His Results
An opportunity for the President’s party to buck midterm history.

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By James Freeman
Oct. 22, 2018 4:55 p.m. ET

There’s a school of thought that the economy is only a political issue when it’s bad and that prosperous times allow people the luxury of prioritizing other issues. That’s not the message in the latest poll from The Wall Street Journal and NBC News.

The consensus among professional economists is that this Friday’s third-quarter GDP report from the Commerce Department will show another strong period of growth in the U.S. economy after a blowout performance in the second quarter. Voters don’t seem to be taking it for granted. WSJ/NBC survey respondents call “the economy and jobs” the most important factor in deciding their votes in this year’s elections for the U.S. Congress. Since June, this issue has overtaken health care as the top concern for participants in the poll.

Could this mean that despite all the recent positive economic data, survey respondents actually think the economy is lousy? Not likely, because voters are giving high marks to the party that is currently in charge of the nation’s economic policy. When it comes to dealing with the economy, survey participants say that Republicans “would do a better job” than Democrats by a 15-point margin. This appears to be the largest Republican advantage recorded by this survey, which has been asking the question since at least 1991.

This doesn’t mean that voters particularly like the nation’s chief economic policy maker. In fact 68% of respondents say they don’t like President Trump. But Mr. Trump appears to be setting a modern record in the share of the electorate saying that they don’t like the President personally, but approve of most of his policies. This category of voters currently stands at 20% of the electorate. For most recent Presidents such readings were generally in the low-to-mid single digits, though Bill Clinton’s share did climb into the teens.

The Journal reports that survey results show overall approval of President Trump is increasing, and so is enthusiasm among those in his party:

Hand in hand with Republicans’ increased election interest is a rise in Mr. Trump’s job-approval rating to 47%, the highest mark of his time in office


(Full text of the article can be read at the above URL)
I don't like Trump and don't think his results are all that.

Job numbers are great -- but they were great back in December 2016 good. They were working at the same pace as they are today.

So are we celebrating Trump not trashing the economy -- or are we celebrating the American resilience.
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Old 10-23-2018, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I said he was "pushing" to get things done but the Democrats are blocking him along with some sell out Republicans in congress. It's already been spelled out over and over what he has accomplished by many others but you need that repeated to you once again?

He's sticking it to those who need it, not those who don't!
The only person he is sticking it to is a YOU - and he knows you are happily unaware of it. The consummate con man. Loves the uneducated - for good reason.

Thank heaven for the sell-outs. We need more of them.
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Old 10-23-2018, 07:12 PM
 
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Yes, the kind of moral bankruptcy that the ends justify the means.
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Old 10-23-2018, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I'm not a fan of Trump's lack of good speaking skills, etc. but I'm glad that he has the nerve to keep pushing to get things done and keeps fighting against the Democrats and the sell out Republicans all the way. He's fearless and I like that.
I actually like the fact that he is not a smooth speaker.

We've had plenty of smooth speaking con-men in office. In fact, the last one served as president for two terms that ended in January of 2017. Problem was he was a man of words and not a man of action.
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Old 10-23-2018, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Yet, Obama NOT being in office DID cause the booming economy.

You lefties are a hoot!
Eh it was going up from 2010 on so it is a little bit hard to say Obama did have the economy boom under him. Plus the economy lags a year or two behind presidential policy anyway.
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Old 10-23-2018, 08:08 PM
 
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Another bullseye on the subject of why normal Americans vote for President Trump. They aren't voting for Man of the Year, they are voting for someone who can get the job done that the voters want done: Straightening out the government, draining the swamp, stopping illegal immigration, get govt out of the way so the economy picks up again, promote U.S. ascendancy on the world stage for a

Oh pleas as i said to the last poster who linked to WSJ, it is nothing more Murdoch's mouth.


Murdoch was BARRED by the UK from buying Sky News precisely because of the way he lies when he buys.

Murdoch PROMISED not to use the WSJ as yet another right wing propaganda tool, but that is exactly what he has done. Thus the UK decided they did not want Murdoch's disgusting lies infiltrating their media any deeper.


I have to hand it to the Aussies and Brits, they saw what POS Murdoch did to the US and they said "NOPE, duck off Murdoch, no more news outlets for you."
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Old 10-23-2018, 08:29 PM
 
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The only person he is sticking it to is a YOU - and he knows you are happily unaware of it. The consummate con man. Loves the uneducated - for good reason.

Thank heaven for the sell-outs. We need more of them.

How is he "sticking it to me"? I wanted a candidate that had the guts to address our illegal immigration problem and he is doing just that. Yeah, the sell outs are trying to stop him from doing that along with the Democrats and you think that's a good thing?


There are a hell of a lot more uneducated among Democrat voters than Republicans.
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Old 10-23-2018, 08:34 PM
 
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So the message being that the ends justify the means.

But what has he done exactly anyway?
Economy is cyclical and was on this upswing well before he took office. If anything he's just responsible for the turbulence with all the trade war nonsense and it could be higher.
Increased deficits, with a good economy.
Illegal immigration continues unabated.
Health care costs continue to rise.
Appointed a SC justice who does not support the 4th amendment.
Angered allies and praised dictators.

we are in the 9th year of straight growth. the market has been a massive win and many a trumper has missed most of it.



When a Trump type starts to credit Trump for this bull market you know you are talking to someone who does not have a clue about investing in stocks or someone who knows the truth but does not like to admit it.
we are deep into the bull, 9 years. The global asset bubble is looking extremely precarious. I don't know exactly when it is going to really turn, but it is closer than we think and suspect it might just be the current elections.
If the dems win the senate, we might see the market cave. Because it will the end of Trump's crazy market juicing and it is pretty clear the dems will rein in the crazy to avoid another 2008 ....
ME? I have battened down the hatches, trimmed the sail and i am prepared to repeal boarders... (well increased my cash position to ludicrous level.)
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Old 10-23-2018, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Southern Willamette Valley, Oregon
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They know Donald Trump will do the "dirty work" for them, the could care less about Donald Trump!
I don't know how you define "dirty work", but you are correct in the sense that most conservatives don't necessarily like Trump the man, but they sure as heck favor the progress he's making, particularly on the SC. Two down, and possibly 1-3 to go before 2024. We know it hurts you.

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The "dirty work" of record low unemployment and a booming economy?
Thank God the good work of Saint Obama ended. His work was putting as many people on food stamps and government assistance as possible.
Liberals like to keep people dependent on the government. They believe it keeps the voters loyal and on their plantation. Sadly, certain demographics prove that point. The few that know better and are vocal about it are promptly lambasted by the propaganda arm of the left known as MSNBC and CNN.

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"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

- Norman Thomas, former U.S. Socialist Presidential Candidate

Sometimes a peak back into history will be the guide to the future
Like a frog in boiling water. America falls into this category in many areas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

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Not only is Trump a repulsive liar, he's a failure.
Election Day should straighten things out.

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We've had plenty of smooth speaking con-men in office. In fact, the last one served as president for two terms that ended in January of 2017. Problem was he was a man of words and not a man of action.
Actually, he provided a lot of action. He was quite busy apologizing for the US , our military, and all the proud people that reside within our borders.
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Old 10-23-2018, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Originally Posted by Roboteer View Post
Another bullseye on the subject of why normal Americans vote for President Trump. They aren't voting for Man of the Year, they are voting for someone who can get the job done that the voters want done: Straightening out the government, draining the swamp, stopping illegal immigration, get govt out of the way so the economy picks up again, promote U.S. ascendancy on the world stage for a change etc.

And it looks like they have made the right choice so far. With more to come in the near future.

That's bad news for the Democrats.

But then, what's good for the nation is frequently bad news for the Democrats. Maybe they should look at what they ought to do about that?

------------------------------------------------

https://www.wsj.com/articles/voters-...lts-1540241748

Voters Don’t Like Trump, Just His Results
An opportunity for the President’s party to buck midterm history.

806 Comments
By James Freeman
Oct. 22, 2018 4:55 p.m. ET

There’s a school of thought that the economy is only a political issue when it’s bad and that prosperous times allow people the luxury of prioritizing other issues. That’s not the message in the latest poll from The Wall Street Journal and NBC News.

The consensus among professional economists is that this Friday’s third-quarter GDP report from the Commerce Department will show another strong period of growth in the U.S. economy after a blowout performance in the second quarter. Voters don’t seem to be taking it for granted. WSJ/NBC survey respondents call “the economy and jobs” the most important factor in deciding their votes in this year’s elections for the U.S. Congress. Since June, this issue has overtaken health care as the top concern for participants in the poll.

Could this mean that despite all the recent positive economic data, survey respondents actually think the economy is lousy? Not likely, because voters are giving high marks to the party that is currently in charge of the nation’s economic policy. When it comes to dealing with the economy, survey participants say that Republicans “would do a better job” than Democrats by a 15-point margin. This appears to be the largest Republican advantage recorded by this survey, which has been asking the question since at least 1991.

This doesn’t mean that voters particularly like the nation’s chief economic policy maker. In fact 68% of respondents say they don’t like President Trump. But Mr. Trump appears to be setting a modern record in the share of the electorate saying that they don’t like the President personally, but approve of most of his policies. This category of voters currently stands at 20% of the electorate. For most recent Presidents such readings were generally in the low-to-mid single digits, though Bill Clinton’s share did climb into the teens.

The Journal reports that survey results show overall approval of President Trump is increasing, and so is enthusiasm among those in his party:

Hand in hand with Republicans’ increased election interest is a rise in Mr. Trump’s job-approval rating to 47%, the highest mark of his time in office


(Full text of the article can be read at the above URL)
I would agree with this opinion. Just think how popular Trump might be if he wasn’t such an azz. I truly disliked Obama for Obamacare, which forced me to pay a penalty when I filed my taxes each year because the insurance was too expensive. Free to breeders and illegals though. Yet, Obama was a civilized, wholesome man with very fine qualities. Trump is a bumbling petty bully who deserves to live in hell.
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