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Old 10-30-2018, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Originally Posted by AnotherTouchOfWhimsy View Post
Meh. We all know he can't reverse an amendment via executive order..
Then why do liberals think they can ever take away our guns?

 
Old 10-30-2018, 10:29 AM
 
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Originally Posted by TigerLily24 View Post
How would the U.S. deport someone they have no jurisdiction over?

Deportation is the very essence of waiving jurisdiction.
 
Old 10-30-2018, 10:29 AM
 
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why do people want to keep this? if it doesn't benefit you why keep it. the people being brought in are clearly trash, look at the caravan. they are migrating here to have all their babies born.

nothx
 
Old 10-30-2018, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Originally Posted by marino760 View Post
I have yet to see a logical explanation of why birthright citizenship should not end. There are many logical reasons for it ending.
What is your reason for wanting to continue birthright citizenship? You do realize no other country in the world does this and most are doing just fine including very progressive European countries.
If you believe this because Trump said it, well...


https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...tizenship.html
 
Old 10-30-2018, 10:30 AM
 
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Default Gaming the System

Legalsea posted above: "The 14th Amendment:



"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."


"All persons born" seems pretty straight-forward. I wonder how those that believe in the 'originalism' viewpoint of the Constitution would interpret this clause? What did they mean by 'All persons born'?



In short, President Trump cannot amend the meaning of the Constitution by executive order. I happen to agree that the Constitution should be amended so that 'anchor babies' (meaning, those whose parents are not US citizens) are not citizens simply due to the fact that they were born within our borders. If one parent is a citizen, fine. If both are not, then no citizenship for the child.



But such can only be by amending the Constitution." But Trump feels differently?


Lawyers and NGOs (non-government organizations) work loop holes enabling anyone with a pulse to enter and stay in the USA. One way is for a couple or a woman to get into the US by hook or by crook and have a child(s) who becomes an anchor baby (a US citizen) pointing to the 14th amendment and practice and procedure.

Doesn't feel right, does it? A rule of thumb is that no good things results from breaking the law. Meaning that a couple or woman thumbs their or her nose at the immigration laws, enters illegally but births a citizen. What is wrong with that? This issue goes much deeper than that. Non-citizens who comply with the US immigration laws can and do sponsor about 10 other aliens for eventual citizenship. (Chain migration). Which is what the anchor babies do when they grow up.
 
Old 10-30-2018, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The children of illegal immigrants are also subject to US jurisdiction. The argument they are not is nonsensical.
why is it the fascist liberals will never admit that ILLEGAL means just that ILLEGAL


you don't reward an illegal action
 
Old 10-30-2018, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Originally Posted by TEPLimey View Post
Yep. There are over 35 other countries that do. Why peddle an easily disprovable lie? Is the underlying argument that weak?
Because Trump said it so it must be true?

 
Old 10-30-2018, 10:33 AM
 
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Originally Posted by AnotherTouchOfWhimsy View Post
Meh. We all know he can't reverse an amendment via executive order. ("We all" might not refer to Trump himself, of course.) This is being done solely to pump up the base before voting. It's cringeworthy that people don't realize that.

Threads like this are exactly what Trump wants. He is forcing a discussion on the issue. He is also giving Democrats an opportunity to once again show their allegiance to immigrants over Americans. He does this every so often - travel ban, end DACA, family separation, etc. - so the end result is all the voter remembers about the last two years is the Dems defending immigrants.
 
Old 10-30-2018, 10:33 AM
 
Location: DFW
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That hard work to get Kavanaugh on SCOTUS might just pay off very soon.

He will be the one who strictly decides the interpretation of the Constitution, not you or I.
 
Old 10-30-2018, 10:33 AM
 
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Originally Posted by TigerLily24 View Post
Because Trump said it so it must be true?

Give me an example of a country where a person there illegally can have a baby automatically be a citizen at birth. I'm not saying maybe one or two don't exist, but I can't find one. Maybe you can.
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