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No, it means that children of diplomats and Native Americans... and babies of illegal alien parents... who are subject to OTHER COUNTRIES' laws, were not citizens.
Legal permanent residents and virtually all visitors are subject to the laws of their home country. So if you accept that broad reading virtually no one but a citizen could give birth to a citizen. That is clearly not the law as is made clear in Won Kim Ark.
Its about time. The 14th Amendment was created to protect the children of emancipated slaves, not create citizens of anyone baby plopped out within our borders. How would you feel if your parents were in the United States on vacation and your mom gave birth and you were stolen from your home country??
You don’t get stolen from your home country when this happens, you get what’s called dual citizenship and you are held accountable for US taxes abroad and any jury duty and draft registration. If you don’t comply the US reserves the right to have you extradited.
Other major issues today are
1) intermediate Family members are split up not being allowed to cross the border with legal citizens who would eagerly sponsor family members but the Legal immigration system today is years upon years upon years of waiting
2) For some nations theres no legal option at all to enter USA right now
Remember America is a nation of immigrants who came in using a process that isn’t as accessible today, so the illegal entry has become quasi-legal, much like if you coordinate a Girl Scout fundraiser to get 51 of your Girls to sell candy bars? Well guess what, this means they need to pay for W2, and health insurance for all these Girls!!!! Oooooops. Let’s find out how many teens are offering this coverage to comply with the wonderful law.
Last edited by Siberiaboy; 10-31-2018 at 03:45 PM..
Clearly false as in Elk v. Wilkins, SCOTUS ruled Elk was NOT a 14th Amendment US citizen as he owed allegiance to his Tribe when he was born.
And that is the peculiar relationship between the US and the Indian Tribes which were treated as sovereign but vassal states which were co-located within the US but not part of a state.
The president has made some comments in which I'm not sure as to the accuracy of his ability to change the 14th amendment through executive order. That can be a debate on its own. However, I believe this is a valid topic to address due to the rampant abuse of this law.
Most people with the hopes of reaching the United States have known this for decades. Organizers of these so called "caravans" know this is well. They preach many strategies as how our own laws will protect them, directly or indirectly. Although the illegal immigrant will not have any rights to any social services (in most states), their children born here will. They will receive some form of Medicaid, food stamps and other government assistance to help them. Hospitals will not turn anyone away and the protocol will be to record the birth and order a birth certificate; affording this new U.S citizen all the benefits of citizenship.
Even if the parents manage to stay here illegally, their children will most likely always have those social services until the age of 18 because and the parents will most likely qualify on their behalf. They'll qualify because they wont be able to provide verifiable income, even if they earn good wages.
So who has the right of citizenship in this country? According to the 14th amendment, anyone born here. Even if the parents were here illegally. As an immigrant myself who values my naturalization certificate that I earned, I don't think that's right or fair. Thoughts?
There are 33 countries that have birthright citizenship.
1 Antigua and Barbuda
2 Argentina
3 Barbados
4 Belize
5 Bolivia
6 Brazil
7 Canada
8 Chile
9 Cuba
10 Dominica
11 Ecuador
12 El Salvador
13 Fiji
14 Grenada
15 Guatemala
16 Guyana
17 Honduras
18 Jamaica
19 Mexico
20 Nicaragua
21 Panama
22 Paraguay
23 Peru
24 Saint Kitts and Nevis
25 Saint Lucia
26 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
27 Trinidad and Tobago
28 United States
29 Uruguay
30 Venezuela
Are these other countries having problems with this? In Canada, even the children of foreign nationals automatically become Canadians if they are born in Canada. Nonetheless, if you have a child born in Canada that does not impart citizenship upon the parent. ... You will first have to obtain permanent residence, then when you qualify you can apply to be naturalized as a citizen. So it is just like the United States.
Some countries used to have it, but have changed that.
France did away with birthright citizenship in 1993, following the passage of the Méhaignerie Law. The law limited citizenship to those born to a French parent, or to a parent also born in France. As a result, those born in France to foreign-born parents must wait until they turn 18 to automatically acquire French citizenship (a process that can begin when they turn 13, if they apply).
Ireland was the last of the European Union countries to abolish birthright citizenship, in 2005. Through a referendum backed by nearly 80 percent of Irish voters, citizenship was limited to those born to at least one Irish parent. The decision was a response to a controversy surrounding birth tourism and the high-profile case of Man Levette Chen, a Chinese national who traveled to Northern Ireland so that her daughter would be born an Irish citizen. Chen sought residency rights in Britain, citing her child’s Irish and EU citizenship. Though the United Kingdom Home Office rejected Chen’s application, the decision was overturned by the European Court of Justice in 2004.
Other countries, including New Zealand and Australia, have also abolished their birthright-citizenship laws in recent years. The latest is the Dominican Republic, whose supreme court ruled to remove the country’s birthright laws in 2013. The decision retroactively stripped tens of thousands of people born to undocumented foreign parents of their citizenship and rendered them “ghost citizens,” according to Amnesty International.
If we are going to do away with this, we cannot strip children already given citizenship of their rights at this point. And, it has to be done properly by amending the Constitution.
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Vatican City is truly the only place where you are a citizen at the pleasure of the pope.
There are 33 countries that have birthright citizenship.
1 Antigua and Barbuda
2 Argentina
3 Barbados
4 Belize
5 Bolivia
6 Brazil
7 Canada
8 Chile
9 Cuba
10 Dominica
11 Ecuador
12 El Salvador
13 Fiji
14 Grenada
15 Guatemala
16 Guyana
17 Honduras
18 Jamaica
19 Mexico
20 Nicaragua
21 Panama
22 Paraguay
23 Peru
24 Saint Kitts and Nevis
25 Saint Lucia
26 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
27 Trinidad and Tobago
28 United States
29 Uruguay
30 Venezuela
Are these other countries having problems with this? In Canada, even the children of foreign nationals automatically become Canadians if they are born in Canada. Nonetheless, if you have a child born in Canada that does not impart citizenship upon the parent. ... You will first have to obtain permanent residence, then when you qualify you can apply to be naturalized as a citizen. So it is just like the United States.
Some countries used to have it, but have changed that.
If we are going to do away with this, we cannot strip children already given citizenship of their rights at this point. And, it has to be done properly by amending the Constitution.
Canada is the only other develop nation and doesn't border the underdeveloped world like the US that severs as a buffer. The US is the only developed country bordering the undeveloped world with birthright citizenship for illegals.
And that is the peculiar relationship between the US and the Indian Tribes which were treated as sovereign but vassal states which were co-located within the US but not part of a state.
Part of the ritual screwing of the Indians.
If a child born in America is allowed to attend a public school and more importantly obtains a diploma, that study and discipline represents a clear loyalty to the United States. You also have to be pretty dumb economically to allow taxpayer money covering K-12 education inherently invested in a child born in America to non-citizen parents, not get a chance to see its return unfold on the kid whose tax money you funded from the age of 5 thru 18.
Also unlike the reservation cases, if the child born in America is living under the jurisdiction of US law, that child is not loyal to any other soil but the United States.
And should a child born in the US be of non-citizens whose previous nationhood no longer exists due to the outcome of a war abroad, you create enormous complications retracting that child’s only citizenship to render the kid stateless.
Canada is the only other develop nation and doesn't border the underdeveloped world like the US that severs as a buffer. The US is the only developed country bordering the undeveloped world with birthright citizenship for illegals.
It's practically the entire western hemisphere.
Hmm, I wonder why people here identify more with "Europeans" than they do with the people that live right next door.
Soooo hard to figure out.
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