Voting for economic feasibility (NAFTA, wages, generations, global warming)
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Here's my take:
I started my working life typically voting democrat +/-, depending on the issues at hand each candidate was "promising" to work on.
Here's the deal though:
Under decades of administration from BOTH parties, we continued to outsource our work to China, trade deficit soared. Even now we still go ~$30 billion in the hole monthly in trade deficit with China. It makes the cost of Trumps wall, or the amount Warren Buffet paid for the entire BNSF railroad, seem pretty small when we dump the same money down a trade deficit rat hole every month!
We give billions of dollars of aid to other countries while many of our own needs go uncared for...we have our own children starving, our own mentally ill/homeless out on the streets, needs for our new and existing aging infrastructure, and so on. I've watched manufacturing jobs perpetually go away, while the American dream has turned into a crappy little apartment life working two service level jobs for the average family. Income disparity has grown to the largest in history between the rich and poor, and up until less than a year ago, the rich/corporations investing WITHIN the USA wasn't economical or viable. It's a world market now, and we HAVE to compete for these opportunities. Put all your Red Blue which-side garbage aside, if the numbers don't calculate out it isn't going to happen here and some other country will get the work and make the profits. The response under both parties has been to simply tax and tax the shrinking number of tax payers, for more and more people falling under government assistance, and it's a recipe for the acceleration of national economic failure. Many of the jobs were exported under the premise of "cleaning up" our environment, when in reality we've given all the manufacturing to the most dirty coal burning countries in the world and increased pollution and global warming greatly. We all breathe the same air and share the same ocean. When I was younger, it seemed that the Democratic party stood for what I wanted....stick it to "the man" and get me some more pay. Unfortunately, "the man" now had to decide to either close his widget factory USA or order the widgets from overseas to make his ends meet, and over time I've realized the fault in my own thought as I've had to move from job-to-job every 2-3 years as outsourcing closed them up or reduced them to skeleton crews.
In my opinion, Trump is the first one to step up and finally start to do something about it. Tax cuts and tariff's together are helping make things viable to invest and do business IN THE USA. Sure its not perfect, in the short term prices will rise and some will feel that pinch and the businesses that benefitted from cheap imports and foreign labor are going to yell foul, but the end result is we keep more of OUR money in OUR country, and it's going to up-cycle into more opportunities, a better economy, more workers able to afford more things actually made in the USA, and I believe an eventual balancing of the budget will follow. We have to tax less to get more, in other words we've cut taxes 40% but hope to double, or more, the amount of business because of the growth and reopening that is spurred by that tax cut, and everyone wins. Workers have work, aren't on assistance, and the gov't collects 120% of taxes on the doubling of business despite the 40% cut of the tax rate.
I'm just the typical middle class working guy, but am smart enough to see this all and understand what needs to be done. Its all about the money, and the more successful we can be as a nation the more we can afford the things we need to do, from clean energy, to housing the mentally ill, to rebuilding and expanding our nations infrastructure. For a decade plus now, we've been paying for this in OTHER NATIONS. I've always wished that the USA would embrace an independent, but right now the Republican party and Trump administration has the better offering. The democrat party has moved so extreme left, that all I can see them standing for is the continued outsourcing of jobs, crappy apartment life, uncontrolled immigration, and socialist economics, and I am so done with them. They have proven that they must only represent the purveyors of foreign manufactured junk and section 8 housing slumlords, and really are out of legs to stand on when it comes to facing the facts and truly moving our country down a better path. Even on issues regarding a path to citizenship for our resident illegals and deportation of their criminal aspects, that would greatly benefit EVERYONE involved, you stand arms crossed unwilling to work on the issue because its "the other party".
Some of your points are the only thing I really think about when voting, those and the presence or absence of laws that restrict my freedoms.
So far Trump has my green light on all accounts. And I don't care if he babbles like a baboon. All I care about is what he DOES and what he signs into LAW. His rhetoric doesn't affect my life in the least. Talk was, is, and always will be cheap. Actions are what counts.
Exactly. I don't require a role model or perfect speaker. Run the country, make changes that better the lives of the majority of the people that ARE SUSTAINABLE. Some of the changes aren't going to be popular but need to be done, and done by someone that will put their foot down and follow through. Frankly, I believe politics to be rather un-rewarding and that someone so perfectly capable wouldn't even consider getting involved to begin with
Here's my take:
I started my working life typically voting democrat +/-, depending on the issues at hand each candidate was "promising" to work on.
Here's the deal though:
Under decades of administration from BOTH parties, we continued to outsource our work to China, trade deficit soared. Even now we still go ~$30 billion in the hole monthly in trade deficit with China. It makes the cost of Trumps wall, or the amount Warren Buffet paid for the entire BNSF railroad, seem pretty small when we dump the same money down a trade deficit rat hole every month!
We give billions of dollars of aid to other countries while many of our own needs go uncared for...we have our own children starving, our own mentally ill/homeless out on the streets, needs for our new and existing aging infrastructure, and so on. I've watched manufacturing jobs perpetually go away, while the American dream has turned into a crappy little apartment life working two service level jobs for the average family. Income disparity has grown to the largest in history between the rich and poor, and up until less than a year ago, the rich/corporations investing WITHIN the USA wasn't economical or viable. It's a world market now, and we HAVE to compete for these opportunities. Put all your Red Blue which-side garbage aside, if the numbers don't calculate out it isn't going to happen here and some other country will get the work and make the profits. The response under both parties has been to simply tax and tax the shrinking number of tax payers, for more and more people falling under government assistance, and it's a recipe for the acceleration of national economic failure. Many of the jobs were exported under the premise of "cleaning up" our environment, when in reality we've given all the manufacturing to the most dirty coal burning countries in the world and increased pollution and global warming greatly. We all breathe the same air and share the same ocean. When I was younger, it seemed that the Democratic party stood for what I wanted....stick it to "the man" and get me some more pay. Unfortunately, "the man" now had to decide to either close his widget factory USA or order the widgets from overseas to make his ends meet, and over time I've realized the fault in my own thought as I've had to move from job-to-job every 2-3 years as outsourcing closed them up or reduced them to skeleton crews.
In my opinion, Trump is the first one to step up and finally start to do something about it. Tax cuts and tariff's together are helping make things viable to invest and do business IN THE USA. Sure its not perfect, in the short term prices will rise and some will feel that pinch and the businesses that benefitted from cheap imports and foreign labor are going to yell foul, but the end result is we keep more of OUR money in OUR country, and it's going to up-cycle into more opportunities, a better economy, more workers able to afford more things actually made in the USA, and I believe an eventual balancing of the budget will follow. We have to tax less to get more, in other words we've cut taxes 40% but hope to double, or more, the amount of business because of the growth and reopening that is spurred by that tax cut, and everyone wins. Workers have work, aren't on assistance, and the gov't collects 120% of taxes on the doubling of business despite the 40% cut of the tax rate.
I'm just the typical middle class working guy, but am smart enough to see this all and understand what needs to be done. Its all about the money, and the more successful we can be as a nation the more we can afford the things we need to do, from clean energy, to housing the mentally ill, to rebuilding and expanding our nations infrastructure. For a decade plus now, we've been paying for this in OTHER NATIONS. I've always wished that the USA would embrace an independent, but right now the Republican party and Trump administration has the better offering. The democrat party has moved so extreme left, that all I can see them standing for is the continued outsourcing of jobs, crappy apartment life, uncontrolled immigration, and socialist economics, and I am so done with them. They have proven that they must only represent the purveyors of foreign manufactured junk and section 8 housing slumlords, and really are out of legs to stand on when it comes to facing the facts and truly moving our country down a better path. Even on issues regarding a path to citizenship for our resident illegals and deportation of their criminal aspects, that would greatly benefit EVERYONE involved, you stand arms crossed unwilling to work on the issue because its "the other party".
I've voted RED, and welcome you to join me.
Who has done more to keep jobs in America and force employers to hire Americans than unions?
You talk a big game about the American worker, but support the party that wants to eradicate the most Pro-American collective in existence.
Who has done more to keep jobs in America and force employers to hire Americans than unions?
You talk a big game about the American worker, but support the party that wants to eradicate the most Pro-American collective in existence.
The union game has no support however, without protections in place (Tariffs) that keep manufacturers competitive. It's a balancing act. If the unions ask for too much, the product they produce costs too much and doesn't sell in todays competitive WORLD MARKET, and the whole thing unwinds. I'd never deny a worker the opportunity to make more money, but when they are sent home for lack of work or the factory they worked for closed and sent its work overseas because they had to-to be profitable, it's counter-productive. Union or no union, tariffs on imports and lower corporate tax rates support higher wages for workers here in the USA. I work in an arrangement where our shop is union and staff is not, so I experience this "balancing act" first hand.
The union game has no support however, without protections in place (Tariffs) that keep manufacturers competitive. It's a balancing act. If the unions ask for too much, the product they produce costs too much and doesn't sell in todays competitive WORLD MARKET, and the whole thing unwinds. I'd never deny a worker the opportunity to make more money, but when they are sent home for lack of work or the factory they worked for closed and sent its work overseas because they had to-to be profitable, it's counter-productive. Union or no union, tariffs on imports and lower corporate tax rates support higher wages for workers here in the USA. I work in an arrangement where our shop is union and staff is not, so I experience this "balancing act" first hand.
Lower corporate taxes have nothing to do with the vast majority of workers getting better wages, except for those employees who earn bonuses. We just saw companies get the biggest windfall in generations with the repatriation act, and what did they do with it? Some of them offered employees bonuses that amounted to $0.50/hour pay raise.
Unions do far more to increase wages, keep jobs in America, and keep Americans working than any tax it immigration policy. You point out of Unions would increase cost for goods, like that exact same thing wouldn't happen if we brought back all those jobs we lost to NAFTA.
I've got nothing against unions. Having been on both sides where I work, I've experienced the ups and downs first hand. The issue is, Union workers are obviously more expensive, and the market we bid into simply doesn't care sadly. When the economy slows down and projects are getting fought over, our Union workers sit at home while other non-union entities still have work.
I disagree, because lower corporate taxes combined with tariffs on imports, can collectively make it viable for a company to do business in the USA. The company gets a tax break, and the tariff on imported steel makes it pencil for them to be profitable. Union or not, is not really the point I'm making. It's that in a changing world, it's the governments job to adjust tariffs and tax rates to keep business viable and people working.
This is not to say that there won't be greed sadly as you stated above (50 cents/hour), but in the big picture people working and paying taxes are going to result in a more prosperous nation than one where 1/3rd of our people are on assistance programs while our government is going broke and our infrastructure is failing.
Here's my take:
I started my working life typically voting democrat +/-, depending on the issues at hand each candidate was "promising" to work on.
Here's the deal though:
Under decades of administration from BOTH parties, we continued to outsource our work to China, trade deficit soared. Even now we still go ~$30 billion in the hole monthly in trade deficit with China. It makes the cost of Trumps wall, or the amount Warren Buffet paid for the entire BNSF railroad, seem pretty small when we dump the same money down a trade deficit rat hole every month!
We give billions of dollars of aid to other countries while many of our own needs go uncared for...we have our own children starving, our own mentally ill/homeless out on the streets, needs for our new and existing aging infrastructure, and so on. I've watched manufacturing jobs perpetually go away, while the American dream has turned into a crappy little apartment life working two service level jobs for the average family. Income disparity has grown to the largest in history between the rich and poor, and up until less than a year ago, the rich/corporations investing WITHIN the USA wasn't economical or viable. It's a world market now, and we HAVE to compete for these opportunities. Put all your Red Blue which-side garbage aside, if the numbers don't calculate out it isn't going to happen here and some other country will get the work and make the profits. The response under both parties has been to simply tax and tax the shrinking number of tax payers, for more and more people falling under government assistance, and it's a recipe for the acceleration of national economic failure. Many of the jobs were exported under the premise of "cleaning up" our environment, when in reality we've given all the manufacturing to the most dirty coal burning countries in the world and increased pollution and global warming greatly. We all breathe the same air and share the same ocean. When I was younger, it seemed that the Democratic party stood for what I wanted....stick it to "the man" and get me some more pay. Unfortunately, "the man" now had to decide to either close his widget factory USA or order the widgets from overseas to make his ends meet, and over time I've realized the fault in my own thought as I've had to move from job-to-job every 2-3 years as outsourcing closed them up or reduced them to skeleton crews.
In my opinion, Trump is the first one to step up and finally start to do something about it. Tax cuts and tariff's together are helping make things viable to invest and do business IN THE USA. Sure its not perfect, in the short term prices will rise and some will feel that pinch and the businesses that benefitted from cheap imports and foreign labor are going to yell foul, but the end result is we keep more of OUR money in OUR country, and it's going to up-cycle into more opportunities, a better economy, more workers able to afford more things actually made in the USA, and I believe an eventual balancing of the budget will follow. We have to tax less to get more, in other words we've cut taxes 40% but hope to double, or more, the amount of business because of the growth and reopening that is spurred by that tax cut, and everyone wins. Workers have work, aren't on assistance, and the gov't collects 120% of taxes on the doubling of business despite the 40% cut of the tax rate.
I'm just the typical middle class working guy, but am smart enough to see this all and understand what needs to be done. Its all about the money, and the more successful we can be as a nation the more we can afford the things we need to do, from clean energy, to housing the mentally ill, to rebuilding and expanding our nations infrastructure. For a decade plus now, we've been paying for this in OTHER NATIONS. I've always wished that the USA would embrace an independent, but right now the Republican party and Trump administration has the better offering. The democrat party has moved so extreme left, that all I can see them standing for is the continued outsourcing of jobs, crappy apartment life, uncontrolled immigration, and socialist economics, and I am so done with them. They have proven that they must only represent the purveyors of foreign manufactured junk and section 8 housing slumlords, and really are out of legs to stand on when it comes to facing the facts and truly moving our country down a better path. Even on issues regarding a path to citizenship for our resident illegals and deportation of their criminal aspects, that would greatly benefit EVERYONE involved, you stand arms crossed unwilling to work on the issue because its "the other party".
I've voted RED, and welcome you to join me.
Trump is the only one attempting to address the giveaways both parties have been engaging in for their own elitist benefit. And, that’s exactly why they all loathe him.
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