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Apparently the way it has been *recommended* to him, left him little space to wiggle out of it.
Otherwise I wouldn't be even mentioning it.
Happens all the time. When I was an engineering student at a major university, lib arts programs saw us as cash cows for their programs so humanities courses were a requirement - including upper level courses. There was plenty of incentive for lib arts to require extra courses to reach upper level credits.
Apparently, current students are being "recommended" into particular ethnic, gender studies courses. General lib arts classes are being closed out early or they are not allowed to register without interviews. Significant portion of engineering students opt now to take lib arts classes at another college or online.
Happens all the time. When I was an engineering student at a major university, lib arts programs saw us as cash cows for their programs so humanities courses were a requirement - including upper level courses. There was plenty of incentive for lib arts to require extra courses to reach upper level credits.
Apparently, current students are being "recommended" into particular ethnic, gender studies courses. General lib arts classes are being closed out early or they are not allowed to register without interviews. Significant portion of engineering students opt now to take lib arts classes at another college or online.
This is interesting because that hasn't been my engineering student's experience at all. Core curriculum (gen ed) included the required Math and Writing courses. Two courses in the category of Physical and Biological Sciences were fulfilled with two Physics for Engineers courses, one of which was fulfilled with high school AP Physics. Six Arts & Humanities credits were required, and my engineering student took Theater, which she enjoys, so it was an obvious choice, plus a Philosophy course in logic. For Social and Behavioral Sciences, I believe she had credit for taking AP Human Geography in high school. For Historical Perspectives, she will take a course called Natural Resources History and Policy, which is definitely relevant for her planned career path. For Global and Cultural Awareness, she will take Global Environmental Issues, also relevant for her planned career path. Everything else in her degree program is directly related to her engineering focus. I don't think any of that is an undue burden on STEM students pursuing a Bachelor's degree.
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Uhhmm.. right, he "didn't feel sufficiently motivated to pursue an alternative," but I guess he will still have plenty of choices down the road, such as
Hmong Americans
Language, Power, and Inequality
Women in the U.S. Economy
Multicultural Education
Understanding Human Differences
Multicultural Literature of the United States
Literature of Black America
African American Authors
Introduction to Ethnic and Racial Studies
Introduction to Wisconsin Indians
Ethnic America
Latinos in the United States: 1450-2000
History of Jazz Culture
Multicultural Philosophy in the United States
Women and Politics
Culture and Mental Health
Psychology of Women
Changing the Culture: Women in Science
Sociology of Race and Ethnicity
Introduction to English Language Learners and Advocacy
Gender, Race and Class in American Institutions
Women's Diversity: Race, Class, and Culture
Are people really going into debt to study this? There is may be 10-20 jobs across America that would require this knowledge.
Happens all the time. When I was an engineering student at a major university, lib arts programs saw us as cash cows for their programs so humanities courses were a requirement - including upper level courses. There was plenty of incentive for lib arts to require extra courses to reach upper level credits.
Apparently, current students are being "recommended" into particular ethnic, gender studies courses. General lib arts classes are being closed out early or they are not allowed to register without interviews. Significant portion of engineering students opt now to take lib arts classes at another college or online.
Well... sorry for a good laugh.
You know, I have nothing against liberal arts per se - I see a value of say... learning the history of theater/cinema, some classical literature or the ABCs of philosophy for example. This is the higher education after all.
But what I see here as given choices, falls into the category of indoctrination more than anything else in my opinion.
This is interesting because that hasn't been my engineering student's experience at all. Core curriculum (gen ed) included the required Math and Writing courses. Two courses in the category of Physical and Biological Sciences were fulfilled with two Physics for Engineers courses, one of which was fulfilled with high school AP Physics. Six Arts & Humanities credits were required, and my engineering student took Theater, which she enjoys, so it was an obvious choice, plus a Philosophy course in logic. For Social and Behavioral Sciences, I believe she had credit for taking AP Human Geography in high school. For Historical Perspectives, she will take a course called Natural Resources History and Policy, which is definitely relevant for her planned career path. For Global and Cultural Awareness, she will take Global Environmental Issues, also relevant for her planned career path. Everything else in her degree path is directly related to her engineering focus. I don't think any of that is an undue burden on STEM students pursuing a Bachelor's degree.
My requirement in ABET accredited program was 18 credits lib arts of which 6 had to be upper. To get the 6 upper you had to take enough pre reqs that you ended up with 23-24 credits lib arts total. You were constantly pushed to declare a minor. No business courses allowed. No foreign language courses allowed.
The current credit requirement is the same, but courses are no longer, music appreciation, literature survey courses, or history courses, but ethnic and gender studies - foreign engineering students are directed to womens studies courses and US born students to ethnic studies courses. Absolutely no business courses or foreign language courses allowed. The foreign language list was apparently left off by mistake and suddenly there was swath of enrollment in business-useful language courses - Chinese, Japanese (presumably).
As in not having solely learned textbook-engineering practices; which is to say they should be competent writers and have a basic understanding of foreign cultures and history, as they’re competing in a global economy (and oftentimes designing products for foreign markets, consumers andcultures).
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