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Old 11-18-2018, 11:57 AM
 
Location: AZ
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Who is the end-all be-all then?

They only got tagged with being racist once their popularity of supporting Trump grew, just as Trump's various bigot labels only happened after he became a serious contender for president, but not at all the past few decades before that, even Hillary liked him.
Trump is irrelevant; they were/are racists regardless.
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Old 11-18-2018, 11:58 AM
 
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How does Uber, taxi, etc, know they are Proud Boys when they get service? I use these services and at no time does any of them know my political views, or the reason for my travel.

It's usually pretty obvious. Most are covered in tatoos, wearing Proud Boys shirts,
have on MAGA hats, etc. In other words, a bunch of losers.
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Old 11-18-2018, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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What an absurd premise and red herriing; evidence exists that these cowards are racists, whereas you have none.

Is that how this works? Yes, yes it is.
You made a claim. You provide no evidence to support your claim. I happen to know quite a bit about the Proud Boys and I know that they are not a racist group. It's on you to provide evidence. You have provided none.

Are there racists in the Proud Boys ranks? Yes there are. Are there racists in the Democratic Party? Yes there are. So is it fair to conclude that the Proud Boys and the Democratic Party are "racist organizations"? Perhaps as a starting point, you could come up with an acceptable definition of what constitutes a "racist group." If you have a sane and logical definition as a starting point, then we can see if the Proud Boys actually fit that definition.

Or you can just do the Hitler/Goebbels thing and keep repeating the same thing over and over expecting everyone to simply accept it without evidence. And by that measure, I guess you're just going to have to own the fact that you're a serial rapist "just because I said so" as well. Sound fair?
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Old 11-18-2018, 12:03 PM
 
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Trump is irrelevant; they were/are racists regardless.
Then why did NBC, a very left leaning media outlet, not state so in their coverage?

Oh yes, because it is only recently they have to toss the "racist" label on them due to support for Trump.
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Old 11-18-2018, 12:07 PM
 
Location: AZ
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You made a claim. You provide no evidence to support your claim. I happen to know quite a bit about the Proud Boys and I know that they are not a racist group. It's on you to provide evidence. You have provided none.

Are there racists in the Proud Boys ranks? Yes there are. Are there racists in the Democratic Party? Yes there are. So is it fair to conclude that the Proud Boys and the Democratic Party are "racist organizations"? Perhaps as a starting point, you could come up with an acceptable definition of what constitutes a "racist group." If you have a sane and logical definition as a starting point, then we can see if the Proud Boys actually fit that definition.

Or you can just do the Hitler/Goebbels thing and keep repeating the same thing over and over expecting everyone to simply accept it without evidence. And by that measure, I guess you're just going to have to own the fact that you're a serial rapist "just because I said so" as well. Sound fair?
You’ve also provided no proof to back up your claim; pot meet kettle.

Sound fair?
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Old 11-18-2018, 12:08 PM
 
Location: AZ
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Then why did NBC, a very left leaning media outlet, not state so in their coverage?

Oh yes, because it is only recently they have to toss the "racist" label on them due to support for Trump.
I’m sorry but NBC’s coverage is irrelevant deflection.
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Old 11-18-2018, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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People are too busy arguing over Uber to know what the fight was even for. People can say whatever they want and I would keep on walking by. What's this urge to silence anybody?
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Old 11-18-2018, 12:13 PM
 
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I’m sorry but NBC’s coverage is irrelevant deflection.
Not a deflection at all. The "racist" label only came once they became popular for their support of Trump, before that, despite being the same group with the same mission, did not have such label on them, even by left leaning media outlets like NBC.

Just like Trump never had such labels, until he became a serious contender for president. Before that, even the Democrats liked him.
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Old 11-18-2018, 12:15 PM
 
Location: AZ
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Not a deflection at all. The "racist" label only came once they became popular for their support of Trump, before that, despite being the same group with the same mission, did not have such label on them, even by left leaning media outlets like NBC.

Just like Trump never had such labels, until he became a serious contender for president. Before that, even the Democrats liked him.
Another false-equivalency and red-herring.

This group has nothing to do with Trump.
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Old 11-18-2018, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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You’ve also provided no proof to back up your claim; pot meet kettle.

Sound fair?
You set the rules. I'm just following them.

If you can play Hitler/Goebbels and just say "they are racist" over and over again, and that's a legitimate way of establishing undeniable fact, then clearly me calling you a serial rapist becomes absolute and undeniable truth the instant I say it. That's precisely how the "because I said so" game works.

The alternative is actually backing up your claims with evidence, which like most people on the Left, you seem to be completely unwilling to do. I expect you'll continue to play silly word games instead, which just proves my point: You do not know what the hell you're talking about and are just mindlessly parotting other people's words without bothering to question them.

It should be interesting to see which way you'll play this.
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