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Old 11-20-2018, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Actually, no it isn't. Consider this. A company in which the employees don't work well together will fail. And that includes a company that doesn't offer good service to its customers, meaning outside individuals. Governments have to play nice with other governments. Isolationism is a tried and failed policy time and time again. How do we know this? We stopped doing it.



Nationalism, or putting America first is not the same thing as isolationism.

Just because globalism may be inevitable in many respects, doesn't mean that we have to jump into it face first without protecting ourselves.

Wanting better trade deals is a great example.

"We are the world" was a nice song and a sweet sentiment....

But it's a p**s poor way to do business as a country, especially if you just blindly accept crappy trade deals.
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Old 11-20-2018, 09:31 AM
 
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I don't see anyone who is arguing that an "America First" policy is controversial. I see people arguing that the manner in which this Administration's "America First" policy is being implemented does not really put American interests first and, in fact, is harmful to the US in the long term. Of course, I don't expect low information people to understand the difference.
Can you give specifics?
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Old 11-20-2018, 09:39 AM
 
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I don't see anyone who is arguing that an "America First" policy is controversial. I see people arguing that the manner in which this Administration's "America First" policy is being implemented does not really put American interests first and, in fact, is harmful to the US in the long term. Of course, I don't expect low information people to understand the difference.
The permanent political class brought the country to its knees in the Crash of 2008. And now the future is either populist nationalism (every day Americans first) OR populist socialism (big government and the elitist first).

So do you support populist nationalism (every day Americans first) or big government and elitist first policies.


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Old 11-20-2018, 09:43 AM
 
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I don't see anyone who is arguing that an "America First" policy is controversial. I see people arguing that the manner in which this Administration's "America First" policy is being implemented does not really put American interests first and, in fact, is harmful to the US in the long term. Of course, I don't expect low information people to understand the difference.
Trump and his supporters are rebelling against the party of big government and the administrative state, the very elitist who brought this country to it's knees in 2008 and who has abandoned ordinary middle and working class deplorable's.

We live in a society where having common sense is not so common and being that liberals have the ability to reach more Americans it's easy to convince people through misinformation and the stoking of emotions to gain their support.

Never let the media educate you because they have an agenda, one of which is to gain your support for their cause.
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Old 11-20-2018, 10:02 AM
 
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Everything on the left, from it's activism to its Antifa is at the very least condoned -- and usually funded -- by the ruling class.

Populism is a cry of rage against the ruling class.
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Old 11-20-2018, 10:24 AM
 
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Highly exaggerated presentation of the real situation.

The reality is that there is nothing wrong with our country having a clear identity and a strong coherent government.

Moving toward nationalism and isolationism is another story altogether.

When 60% of the goods that we consume are manufactured outside the USA, the idea that somehow the USA will be able to withdraw from the global marketplace is just a fantasy. This is one of the ideas that the isolationists babble about.

I can understand why our enemies like Russia would love for the USA to break ties with our NATO allies, another idea that the isolationists seem to support. I've not hear any logical argument explaining why that is an advantage for us.



Who said anything about "completely withdrawing" from the global market place?

See this is the reason why we can't discuss topics like this rationally....

Too many people on both sides think that it's an all or nothing proposition....
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Old 11-20-2018, 10:30 AM
 
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For example, picking a fight with Canada is not putting America first. Alienating our best friend in the world and getting into a tariff battle with our biggest trade partner are just foolish actions that will end up hurting Americans.
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Old 11-20-2018, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Wappingers Falls, NY
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Who said anything about "completely withdrawing" from the global market place?

See this is the reason why we can't discuss topics like this rationally....

Too many people on both sides think that it's an all or nothing proposition....
That's how you challenge an otherwise sensible proposition: by making it appear nonsensical and extremist. Especially when it really isn't. Why do you think the two big hot-button issues of the day (abortion rights and gun rights) are always argues as if they're all or nothing propositions? Same with this.
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Old 11-20-2018, 10:31 AM
 
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Many are globalists, including many US politicians.

If our country does well, then of course we need to wreck it, in the name of doing-our-share for the rest of the world.
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Old 11-20-2018, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Wappingers Falls, NY
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For example, picking a fight with Canada is not putting America first. Alienating our best friend in the world and getting into a tariff battle with our biggest trade partner are just foolish actions that will end up hurting Americans.
So you're saying we should just bow down and capitulate to Canada then?

Just as a demonstration of how the "it" works here.
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