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At this point it's doubtful that anyone in the Trump campaign colluded with Russians.
In fact, all the evidence points to western intelligence creating a false appearance of Russian collusion to justify a surveillance operation against the Trump campaign.
I highly doubt we'll ever get full declassification, but if we do, it will no doubt confirm the currently available evidence that the Russian collusion was a fabrication to conduct surveillance on the Trump campaign.
That was number 1..... and number 2 was it provided a convenient excuse to explain away an election loss by the worst candidate any of us will see in our lifetime.
At this point it's doubtful that anyone in the Trump campaign colluded with Russians.
In fact, all the evidence points to western intelligence creating a false appearance of Russian collusion to justify a surveillance operation against the Trump campaign.
I highly doubt we'll ever get full declassification, but if we do, it will no doubt confirm the currently available evidence that the Russian collusion was a fabrication to conduct surveillance on the Trump campaign.
And you’ll be proven wrong on this point just like you were proven wrong when you made the preposterous claim that the Mueller case against Concorde was on the precipice of dismissal. I noticed you never returned to that thread after the judge’s ruling, too...
And you’ll be proven wrong on this point just like you were proven wrong when you made the preposterous claim that the Mueller case against Concorde was on the precipice of dismissal. I noticed you never returned to that thread after the judge’s ruling, too...
I never said that.
In fact I said the opposite.
I said no judge is going to throw out one of Mueller's cases. I stated this is multiple threads.
As for any collusion.
There is no evidence of any collusion.
However, all the evidence that have been discovered points to the collusion case being a fabrication.
I'm going on the record saying that it's highly unlikely that everything will be fully declassified so we will have all the information. This especially true with who the private contractors were who were working for the FBI, that were gaining illegal access to the NSA database.
Why it's unlikely Russians directly colluded with Trump
The Russians had their own reasons for interfering in the elections of the USA, and would have proceeded with or without accomplices from inside.
That said, the Russians knew Trump, very well actually. When Trump decided to run for office they were well aware that he had interests which coincide with their own. In particular, he was in hock to Russian mobsters for some really big loans. With the sanctions (over the Crimean invasion) in place Trump could neither repay those mobster/oligarchs on schedule, nor borrow any more. Of course Dear leader was infuriated with Obama for that, he never got over it ...
A perfect storm.
The Russian government wanted the sanctions to go away, Trump wanted the sanctions to go away. The Russians wanted to weaken and divide the EU and NATO, Trump could not care less about the EU or NATO and was very malleable on the subject.
Yes, the Russians approached Trump, and he gave them "the embrace".
Why it's unlikely Russians directly colluded with Trump
The Russians had their own reasons for interfering in the elections of the USA, and would have proceeded with or without accomplices from inside.
That said, the Russians knew Trump, very well actually. When Trump decided to run for office they were well aware that he had interests which coincide with their own. In particular, he was in hock to Russian mobsters for some really big loans. With the sanctions (over the Crimean invasion) in place Trump could neither repay those mobster/oligarchs on schedule, nor borrow any more. Of course Dear leader was infuriated with Obama for that, he never got over it ...
A perfect storm.
The Russian government wanted the sanctions to go away, Trump wanted the sanctions to go away. The Russians wanted to weaken and divide the EU and NATO, Trump could not care less about the EU or NATO and was very malleable on the subject.
Yes, the Russians approached Trump, and he gave them "the embrace".
I have no idea what you are talking about when you say "Trump could neither repay those mobster/oligarchs on schedule, nor borrow any more".
However, the sanctions on Russia didn't go away.
In fact there are more sanctions on Russians under Trump, than there was under Obama.
I suspect that the main reason that Hillary was so divisive rests on the fact that fake news producers (both foreign and domestic) were already going full-steam in the years leading up to the 2016 election. I'm not saying that Clinton was a saint. I'm sure that some of the dirt on her was real. But I doubt that the real dirt was much more than the average that could be dug up on any candidate from either party at the national level throughout American history. What really sunk Hillary's battleship was the outrageous exaggeration of her flaws, combined with mountains of flat-out-fake news that, once it hits, leaves a residue that is nearly impossible to shake off. And then, of course, there was the unexpected dynamic that Trump brought to the election - the previously underrated power of disgruntled white males who were getting fed up with the feeling that America is one its way to becoming a predominately non-white nation.
As for Trump and the possibility of collusion: I really just don't know, but I would not be surprised if Russia has a bunch of dirt on him - dirt so dirty that they can essentially blackmail him. I don't want to see the Democrats derail government in a vendetta-driven obsession with investigating Trump, but I do think that some level of continued investigation is perfectly reasonable, given Trump's odd love affair with Putin, the verified reality of Russian meddling in our elections, and Trump's continuing vilification of American security agencies. Too many oddities to simply ignore. Maybe Trump is innocent of collusion, but we can't just take that for granted.
Why it's unlikely Russians directly colluded with Trump
The Russians had their own reasons for interfering in the elections of the USA, and would have proceeded with or without accomplices from inside.
That said, the Russians knew Trump, very well actually. When Trump decided to run for office they were well aware that he had interests which coincide with their own. In particular, he was in hock to Russian mobsters for some really big loans. With the sanctions (over the Crimean invasion) in place Trump could neither repay those mobster/oligarchs on schedule, nor borrow any more. Of course Dear leader was infuriated with Obama for that, he never got over it ...
A perfect storm.
The Russian government wanted the sanctions to go away, Trump wanted the sanctions to go away. The Russians wanted to weaken and divide the EU and NATO, Trump could not care less about the EU or NATO and was very malleable on the subject.
Yes, the Russians approached Trump, and he gave them "the embrace".
Was this all before or after HRC sold them 20% of our uranium with the help of Mueller?
I suspect that the main reason that Hillary was so divisive rests on the fact that fake news producers (both foreign and domestic) were already going full-steam in the years leading up to the 2016 election. I'm not saying that Clinton was a saint. I'm sure that some of the dirt on her was real. But I doubt that the real dirt was much more than the average that could be dug up on any candidate from either party at the national level throughout American history. What really sunk Hillary's battleship was the outrageous exaggeration of her flaws, combined with mountains of flat-out-fake news that, once it hits, leaves a residue that is nearly impossible to shake off. And then, of course, there was the unexpected dynamic that Trump brought to the election - the previously underrated power of disgruntled white males who were getting fed up with the feeling that America is one its way to becoming a predominately non-white nation.
As for Trump and the possibility of collusion: I really just don't know, but I would not be surprised if Russia has a bunch of dirt on him - dirt so dirty that they can essentially blackmail him. I don't want to see the Democrats derail government in a vendetta-driven obsession with investigating Trump, but I do think that some level of continued investigation is perfectly reasonable, given Trump's odd love affair with Putin, the verified reality of Russian meddling in our elections, and Trump's continuing vilification of American security agencies. Too many oddities to simply ignore. Maybe Trump is innocent of collusion, but we can't just take that for granted.
lmao...Now Mueller's investigation isn't going to be good enough and it needs to be continued by others. What F'ing nonsense. Let's actually start an investigation into the Obama admin and HRC campaign about the fake dossier and an investigation into the Obama admin using foreign and US intelligence services to spy on a political opponent then try to depose him.
lmao...Now Mueller's investigation isn't going to be good enough and it needs to be continued by others. What F'ing nonsense. Let's actually start an investigation into the Obama admin and HRC campaign about the fake dossier and an investigation into the Obama admin using foreign and US intelligence services to spy on a political opponent then try to depose him.
I don't know where you get that Muellers investigation is not sufficient. It absolutely is for what it does. And its not yet over. For those hoping it would show Trump directly colluding with Russia that is unlikely. But for those talking about obstruction-that's FAR more likely. A stupid crime to be honest. Trump could have walked away were it not for his idiocy.
And we've started investigations into the nonsense you are whining about. So be specific, what thing do you think has not been investigated enough?
I don't know where you get that Muellers investigation is not sufficient. It absolutely is for what it does. And its not yet over. For those hoping it would show Trump directly colluding with Russia that is unlikely. But for those talking about obstruction-that's FAR more likely. A stupid crime to be honest. Trump could have walked away were it not for his idiocy.
And we've started investigations into the nonsense you are whining about. So be specific, what thing do you think has not been investigated enough?
You didn't even read the post that I was replying to so I'm just going to ignore yours but offer you a nugget. We need a NEW special counsel to investigate the Obama admin, DNC and HRC campaign about using a fake dossier, foreign and US intel services to spy on and entrap a political opponent then try to use that fake info to try and depose him. You do know that's exactly what happened don't you?
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