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Old 12-11-2018, 11:28 AM
 
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I didn't claim there wasn't a difference. But what is the principle?
You haven't followed the debate? In a nutshell: Internet service providers have a monopoly in many locales, or something very close to it. (There are good technical and market-driven reasons for that, too.) And as the consumer cannot possibly know what backbone providers carry his traffic, there is no way for market mechanisms to work. And so we have operated under a model of neutrality, where an IP packet is handled the same way, no matter its source, destination or content.

This has been a massive boon to Internet penetration, because people with a presence on the Internet compete on an even footing. As in, this instance: Prisonplanet pops up in your browser just like Google.

Comoanies with a presence on the Internet, on the other hand, are of course free to do business with whom they want. That goes for Google or for Al's Auto Parts in Minnesota or Prisonplanet.

You can compare it to the USPS - who'll carry pretty much any information inside an envelope - and the New York Times, who decides what to print in today's issue. One is neutral, one isn't.

But you knew all this.
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Old 12-11-2018, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Companies with a presence on the Internet, on the other hand, are of course free to do business with whom they want. That goes for Google or for Al's Auto Parts in Minnesota or Prisonplanet.
Did you read anything I wrote? I asked a specific question. Would lefties feel the same way if Google and Facebook were censoring left-wing speakers instead of right-wing speakers? Yes or no?


As you know, lefties have long been opposed to the idea that private-companies have the right to deny service to anyone, for any reason. And they have especially been concerned about corporations becoming too powerful.

Is Google too powerful? Is Facebook too powerful?


I have no interest in having a debate about government regulation. I was merely pointing-out the hypocrisy of both the left and the right. Who love something when it suits them, and then hate it when it doesn't.
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Old 12-11-2018, 11:41 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Well.... that persecution-complex isn’t going to feed itself....
....allegedly
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Old 12-11-2018, 11:56 AM
 
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Did you read anything I wrote?
Yes.

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I asked a specific question. Would lefties feel the same way if Google and Facebook were censoring left-wing speakers instead of right-wing speakers? Yes or no?
Who cares about feelings? We're dealing in something akin to principles. Or should be.

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Is Google too powerful? Is Facebook too powerful?


I have no interest in having a debate about government regulation.
These sentences are kinda contradictory.

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I was merely pointing-out the hypocrisy of both the left and the right. Who love something when it suits them, and then hate it when it doesn't.
Well, as long as you've found a way to feel superior to both sides of the debate, I guess it's mission accomplished.
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Old 12-11-2018, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Well, as long as you've found a way to feel superior to both sides of the debate, I guess it's mission accomplished.
In my original post I said... "Everyone is a hypocrite and a liar."

Everyone includes me, and you, and this entire board.

And since I know you've spent plenty of time on this board, you know full-well how hypocritical the people here can be. So why do we bother?


You come here because you want something. You want control, and power, and to make America into what you want it to be. I only came here to complain.


That doesn't make me superior, because I make no claim to superiority.
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Old 12-11-2018, 12:46 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Old 12-11-2018, 01:00 PM
 
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You come here because you want something. You want control, and power, and to make America into what you want it to be.
Oh yeah, this is the straight route to power.

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I only came here to complain.
You do a fine job.
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Old 12-11-2018, 01:02 PM
 
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The actual hearing is something to behold. Members of Congress know nothing about technology, with the possible exception of Ted Lieu. The Republicans, in particular, are convinced of skullduggery and underhandedness, although they're still on "series of tubes" level of understanding.
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Old 12-11-2018, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Oh yeah, this is the straight route to power.
Power in America comes only from influence(IE changing what people think).

Social-media(including forums) are a kind of propaganda. Which is why many international corporations and government agencies pay people to post on social-media.

Your goal here is to influence, just the same as any other organization who attempts to affect public-opinion and public-policy. And you aren't alone. That is what everyone else is doing as well.

And that is why people on social-media become so stupid, hypocritical, and dishonest. Because that is how you get what you want.


Being honest and consistent is a liability. Politicians don't lie because they're bad people. They lie because they want to get elected. If we actually wanted honest politicians, we would have them.


"Nothing appears more surprising to those, who consider human affairs with a philosophical eye, than the easiness with which the many are governed by the few; and the implicit submission, with which men resign their own sentiments and passions to those of their rulers. When we inquire by what means this wonder is effected, we shall find, that, as Force is always on the side of the governed, the governors have nothing to support them but opinion. It is therefore, on opinion only that government is founded; and this maxim extends to the most despotic and most military governments, as well as to the most free and most popular. The soldan of Egypt, or the emperor of Rome, might drive his harmless subjects, like brute beasts, against their sentiments and inclination: But he must, at least, have led his mamalukes, or prætorian bands, like men, by their opinion." - David Hume

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Old 12-11-2018, 01:48 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The actual hearing is something to behold.
The "Monopoly Man" is hilarious!!
A live Meme in the hearing... on camera.
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