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Old 12-16-2018, 02:08 PM
 
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Charlemont is government, albeit a local one and expects to operate it with volunteers.

The national trend is cutting the cord with cable.
Put the operations center next to the town jail and let the prisoners maintain it. That will teach them a skill for when they are released.
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Old 12-16-2018, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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The infrastructure was already in place. That doesn't mean it couldn't or wouldn't be possible in a free society.

Contrary to popular belief government workers and corporation workers are just people in costumes with legal titles. Take off the costumes/strip their titles away and they still retain their abilities/skills/know-how.
True, though I believe from what I’ve read they need someone to build the last mile of fiber networks.
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Old 12-16-2018, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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The infrastructure was already in place. That doesn't mean it couldn't or wouldn't be possible in a free society.

Contrary to popular belief government workers and corporation workers are just people in costumes with legal titles. Take off the costumes/strip their titles away and they still retain their abilities/skills/know-how.
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True, though I believe from what I’ve read they need someone to build the last mile of fiber networks.
You guys are looking at it the wrong way.


The whole point of bringing high-speed internet into these small towns is to promote economic-growth and increase property values. It isn't about "helping the people".

This wasn't a "people's initiative" in the real sense. It was carried-out by the chamber of commerce. Which has two missions, help local businesses, and attract people with money to move into the community.

A lot of people want to live in rural areas, but people with money want high-speed internet. And businesses increasingly-depend on internet connectivity. From small shops, to retail stores, to realtors, to hotels/hospitality/entertainment, everyone needs to be connected. And the faster, the better.


To understand this "investment", think of the Hoover Dam. Before the dam was being built, no one lived there. Why build a dam? "If you build it, they will come".

The same principle applies for the infamous "Bridge to nowhere". Why did they want to build the bridge? The argument was that, once a bridge is built, it will make it easy to get from one side to the other, and people will begin building homes on the other side of the bridge. Because again, "if you build it, they will come".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge


Comcast is a little more cautious about making these kinds of investments. Partly because with Comcast, they only financially-benefit from the internet itself. Whereas the city gets revenue from all economic activity(sales tax, property tax, excise tax, etc).


But the worst part is, it sounds like the town plans to only offer internet at a single pricing-point. Which means everyone will pay the same amount. While I assume, Comcast would have offered many different pricing plans.


If you understand how business works, you'll realize that they make almost no profit off their entry-level offerings. The profits come mostly from the top-end, from luxuries. In fact, sometimes they offer "budget" products at a loss, as a kind of "advertisement" for their brand.

And what that means in practice, is that internet at a fixed-price for everyone, would actually work as a kind of "regressive-tax". Because not only can the poor not opt-in for slower speeds at reduced costs, but even if they choose to not pay the $79 a month for internet, they will still be forced to pay property taxes to pay for rich-people's internet.


The main argument in favor of these plans, is that they are looking-out for the future of their town. Basically, if they do the work themselves, more of the money will stay in the community. And it will keep fewer people(especially young people) from leaving, because there will be more opportunities, and a revitalization of local businesses.

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Old 12-16-2018, 03:43 PM
 
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Going against Comcast? That practice should be more UNIVERSAL!
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Old 12-16-2018, 03:44 PM
 
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Going against Comcast? That practice should be more UNIVERSAL!
It's not a hard choice, is it? If Option A is ComCast, go for Option B.
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Old 12-16-2018, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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It's not a hard choice, is it? If Option A is ComCast, go for Option B.
And if the government only allows Comcast to serve you, then what?
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Old 12-16-2018, 04:31 PM
 
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Please keep us updated on how this government owned and operated internet provider operation works out.
Nebraska runs a public owned utility. Seems to work fine.

https://www.yesmagazine.org/commonom...y-owned-energy
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Old 12-16-2018, 07:59 PM
 
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It should tell people something of ComCast's reputation, though.

I have Comcast, it's expensive and having to call them is hit and miss. The service itself is always outstanding where I live, rarely out and always faster than advertised rate.
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Old 12-16-2018, 08:08 PM
 
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Nebraska runs a public owned utility. Seems to work fine.

https://www.yesmagazine.org/commonom...y-owned-energy

Clearly ideas like this can work in many areas, it all comes down to the management. A similar example is going to be school boards, in some places you have highly qualified people sitting on the board and those are usually going to be very well run schools. In other places you have people that aren't qualified to run a lemonade stand let alone be in charge of a multi-million dollar school budget.
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Old 12-16-2018, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Nebraska runs a public owned utility. Seems to work fine.

https://www.yesmagazine.org/commonom...y-owned-energy
Amazing article, this is a bit different though, less impressive than the Nebraska example.
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