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Old 12-22-2018, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Austin TX
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Is it at all possible for you to stay on topic?

Now there are threads about universal health care and any discussion always includes how to pay for it. Usually, there is some pay-as-you-go plan similar to Medicare.

But this thread is about the shutdown over Trump's worthless wall.
My point is that many Americans feel as passionately about the wall as other Americans feel about universal health care. It's easy to substitute issues in order to illustrate that 1) we will never all agree on one thing and 2) half of America will have a temper tantrum every time it's *their* side that loses.
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Old 12-22-2018, 11:55 AM
 
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It could drag on. Trump is feeling proud of his accomplishment per his own statement. Other than his shutdown, he doesn't have a whole lot to take pride in.
He accomplished more in a month than Obama did in 8 years, unless you count running up the deficit by $10 TRILLION as an accomplishment.
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Old 12-22-2018, 12:03 PM
 
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McConnell and the REPUBLICAN Senate voted UNANIMOUSLY on a bill to fund the gov't through February. They had a deal done.

But Fox News and Breitbart pushed back, and now trump feels pressured to hold out for his precious wall that he said Mexico was gonna pay for.

Again, it's not Trump's wall it's congress' wall from 2006! Oh and here we go again about Mexico paying for the wall. I asked you and others in here why you didn't give a damn when congress expected the taxpayer to soley fund it back in 2006. Crickets!
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Old 12-22-2018, 12:04 PM
 
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How about we look at it this way: $5 Billion one time expense to build a wall that will reduce the number of illegals entering out country. This in turn will reduce the $668 Billion we spend on welfare (some of which goes towards those illegals). Money saved can then be earmarked for health care spending.

But even if you just want to talk about Health Care costs: we spent $476 Billion on Medicaid in 2014 alone.. that $5 Billion isn't going to make much of a difference Health Care wise, but could make many American lives safer over the next couple of decades.

These lefties don't give a damn about the facts though. It's truly disgusting!
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Old 12-22-2018, 12:09 PM
 
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Again, it's not Trump's wall it's congress' wall from 2006! Oh and here we go again about Mexico paying for the wall. I asked you and others in here why you didn't give a damn when congress expected the taxpayer to soley fund it back in 2006. Crickets!
C'mon, don't pretend it was the same: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...der-wall-2006/

One is 700 miles of fencing that Trump referenced back to and said it was a "nothing wall."
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Old 12-22-2018, 12:12 PM
 
Location: IL
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fund the military and border enforcement. let the rest of the federal govt stop for good. most of it adds zero value to this country.
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Old 12-22-2018, 12:13 PM
 
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My point is that many Americans feel as passionately about the wall as other Americans feel about universal health care. It's easy to substitute issues in order to illustrate that 1) we will never all agree on one thing and 2) half of America will have a temper tantrum every time it's *their* side that loses.
Regardless of your passionate feelings, the wall is a worthless waste of money. It has already been built in populated areas where it would do the most good. Have you seen some of the areas left. It would be an engineering marvel. The idea that a wall will keep out desperate people is ludicrous.

Universal health care is not a ludicrous idea. Developed nations all over the world have it. Why would we want a worker with a torn rotator cuff to be practically unemployable the rest of his life because we're too politically divided to figure out how to repair it? Lack of universal health care costs our nation in so many ways.

But that is a topic for another day.

Today it's the shutdown over a wall that is not going to solve the problem. It's just a way to rally the base.
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Old 12-22-2018, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Regardless of your passionate feelings, the wall is a worthless waste of money. It has already been built in populated areas where it would do the most good. Have you seen some of the areas left. It would be an engineering marvel. The idea that a wall will keep out desperate people is ludicrous.

Universal health care is not a ludicrous idea. Developed nations all over the world have it. Why would we want a worker with a torn rotator cuff to be practically unemployable the rest of his life because we're too politically divided to figure out how to repair it? Lack of universal health care costs our nation in so many ways.

But that is a topic for another day.

Today it's the shutdown over a wall that is not going to solve the problem. It's just a way to rally the base.
If border security were the real goal, the wall would have been rejected long ago as an ineffective and inefficient solution. What the wall really is an enduring monument to bigotry for Trump's base. It is a border version of a confederate statue in a park. As such it is dead - not gonna happen.
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Old 12-22-2018, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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How about we look at it this way: $5 Billion one time expense to build a wall that will reduce the number of illegals entering out country. This in turn will reduce the $668 Billion we spend on welfare (some of which goes towards those illegals). Money saved can then be earmarked for health care spending.

But even if you just want to talk about Health Care costs: we spent $476 Billion on Medicaid in 2014 alone.. that $5 Billion isn't going to make much of a difference Health Care wise, but could make many American lives safer over the next couple of decades.
According to FOX the estimate for the wall is $25 Billion, not $5 billion. The $5 billion is just an installment to get things started. Then there will be maintenance of the wall, so not a one time payment.
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Old 12-22-2018, 01:25 PM
 
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Trump will do anything to shift focus off the DOJs investigation into his crime family.

trump and his followers are too stupid to see that everyone knows what it is they are doing.
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