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1) keep families together at ICE holding facilities pending for an immigration court date which could take a while. However, that is a violation of Flores Agreement if they keep the minor children at ICE holding facilities with the adults
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2) Separate adult and children, but we already know what's going to happen if we do that
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3) release all families into US and hoping they will show up to their court date months or years down the road
Why push others to do what you think is unworkable? BTW, do you mean that fixing our immigration system is unworkable or something else?
I replied to a line of discussion where people were wanting to do things Unconstitutional. I said that you can change the Constitution, go for it. I was asked what was I doing. I said nothing as I have no desire to change the Constitution.
Spatially El Paso and Ciudad Juarez makes one big city. A wall is 100% justifiable because Ciudad Juarez is one of the most dangerous places in the world. It is you who should wait two years before jumping to conclusions. In the same way there is no wall in Kansas city, there are countries which share the same city without even a fence to separate them.
As for making their countries nice, that is not necessary. Stop destroying them is enough. All the foreign policies, financial institutions and military coups work to depress their wages and cheapen their goods. They are pushed into deals in which they "compete" at the international market with countries that have a lot more technology and give billions of dollars in subsidies to all their industries. What are they supposed to do, just give up and die because they have to respect borders? No, when they lose their jobs, they move to countries who benefit from this scam.
The $5 billions dollar to central America is just going to be used to reinforce the scam. For example, all the foreign aids given to Honduras is supposed to develop their democracy, security, etc. How has this worked out? In 2009, there was a coup, and 2018 the government openly stole the elections; all of this with the blessing of the US to continue to have this pro-American pillaging policies.
Another thing, there should be a point in which people realize that the left/right paradigm is just a distraction. It's all about creating profits and that has no party bias. Maybe when the average standards of Americans is reduced to the level in Mexico will people see how things really work.[you can take this to the bank if you are young enough] The first part: record high profits & tax breaks for the rich is done. The second part: raise taxes for the average person and cut their social programs. This is starting soon.
I don't want to deny that money plays a huge role in the whole "illegals" situation.
But there is another, more visceral element at play.....probably the biggest factor: A large number of Americans just don't feel that good about America or its (historical) place in the world. They believe, deep down, that it isn't "right" that we have been such a first-world country (the richest/strongest, it could be argued). Not while there are places out there that are third or second world. Part of this feeling is probably because these people feel we have done many terrible things that have caused the world to be this way. So these people strongly feel that WE need to be brought down to second world status, and all the third world places need to be brought up to second world status (mostly by getting what we "had" and shouldn't have any more). These people would not mind seeing the second world places get bumped up to somewhere between second and first world (again, at our expense). Then we would not be the "top dog" anymore.
This is all pure abstract psychology, of course. Most of it is not reasoned or thought out. It's more of feeling that many people have.......about how the world should be and how the US should be. Policy wise, this belief plays out in wanting lots of immigration into this country from "loser" countries. Legal or illegal doesn't matter much..........in fact, one could say the more ILLEGAL the immigration is, the better. That fits in with the whole "justice" and "leveling the playing field" thing.
I don't want to deny that money plays a huge role in the whole "illegals" situation.
But there is another, more visceral element at play.....probably the biggest factor: A large number of Americans just don't feel that good about America or its (historical) place in the world. They believe, deep down, that it isn't "right" that we have been such a first-world country (the richest/strongest, it could be argued). Not while there are places out there that are third or second world. Part of this feeling is probably because these people feel we have done many terrible things that have caused the world to be this way. So these people strongly feel that WE need to be brought down to second world status, and all the third world places need to be brought up to second world status (mostly by getting what we "had" and shouldn't have any more). These people would not mind seeing the second world places get bumped up to somewhere between second and first world (again, at our expense). Then we would not be the "top dog" anymore.
This is all pure abstract psychology, of course. Most of it is not reasoned or thought out. It's more of feeling that many people have.......about how the world should be and how the US should be. Policy wise, this belief plays out in wanting lots of immigration into this country from "loser" countries. Legal or illegal doesn't matter much..........in fact, one could say the more ILLEGAL the immigration is, the better. That fits in with the whole "justice" and "leveling the playing field" thing.
I have no problem with the US being a great place to live and doing well. My problem is when we destroy other countries because we become too greedy.
I have no problem with the US being a great place to live and doing well. My problem is when we destroy other countries because we become too greedy.
I agree. With its technology, talented people from all over the world and good use of capital the US have the right to be the richest and strongest. But what we have now is no longer capitalism. It is pure greed and corruption. Maineguy wouldn't be confused about first, second and third world countries if he sees the issue is rich vs poor.
In another thread somebody posted an interesting comment about the "Broken-window fallacy" responding to somebody who thinks it's great to work (as he personally does) in the yacht business. As this poster pointed out this system is corrupted and no longer serves society by accumulating so much money through a process of price and wage distortion.
I agree. With its technology, talented people from all over the world and good use of capital the US have the right to be the richest and strongest. But what we have now is no longer capitalism. It is pure greed and corruption. Maineguy wouldn't be confused about first, second and third world countries if he sees the issue is rich vs poor.
In another thread somebody posted an interesting comment about the "Broken-window fallacy" responding to somebody who thinks it's great to work (as he personally does) in the yacht business. As this poster pointed out this system is corrupted and no longer serves society by accumulating so much money through a process of price and wage distortion.
So you have devolved into outright America bashing. Which we all knew was right there under the surface all along. You haven't seen greed and corruption until you have been to a third world shthole.
Because no matter what we do, we have to support it?
Because there is corruption in third world countries that excuses us destroying countries?
Your whole premise that we are destroying countries is more America bashing. I mean, these 3rd World shtholes were just so prosperous until we came along, right?
Your whole premise that we are destroying countries is more America bashing. I mean, these 3rd World shtholes were just so prosperous until we came along, right?
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