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If they cross into the US without permission, then they are illegal aliens. Until then, they are just asylum seekers. The wall only affects people who are attempting to enter illegally. Hence the label illegal aliens.
"I've crossed that border many hundreds of times over the past four decades."
And WHERE did you cross.
"There's no "national emergency" and the border has never been as secure as it is now."
The head of Border Control says DIFFERENTLY, INCLUDING the former head who worked under Obama as well as the many agents who work the border.
There is even a TV show with shows how bad the problem is.
Funny they ALL say there is a BIG problem but, we KNOW YOU know better then all of them put together!
What’s the name of the TV show?
And, let’s see those actual quotes you keep bandying about.
Actual quote from a former BP agent:
“"The problem we face since then, and we continue to face it today, is no one defines what success looks like," Manjarrez said. Today, apprehensions are at a 20-year low, the State Department reports there is no credible evidence of terrorists moving across the Southern border, and the more harmful narcotics, like methamphetamines, are smuggled mostly in vehicles through the official ports of entry.”
“Nine congressional representatives serve the districts that line the 2,000-mile southern border. They are men, women, freshman politicians and Washington veterans. The Democrats among them span liberal ideologies, while one of them is a Republican.
But they all have one thing in common: each is against President Donald Trump's border wall.”
I completely agree, if it's not 1000000% effective every single time then we shouldn't even bother with it. I was having this discussion with my friend, why do we even need the police when it's evident that they don't stop every single crime every time, so why not just get rid of them?? Same with laws, not everyone obeys all the laws every single time so who needs them am I right?? Seat belts don't save everyone 100% of the time so I think cars shouldn't even have them anymore
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That of course does nothing to defeat Trump's real intention, to build something he can figuratively (and who knows? perhaps literally) hang his name on.
The border wall is estimated to cost $5 Billion while the cost of illegal immigration is estimated to be $90 Billion. The wall is a one time expenditure whereas the costs of welfare, healthcare, educating the kids and criminal justice is just going to keep on growing.
We all lock our doors using a $50 lock to protect thousands of dollars in property but this illegal immigration problem is not a one time hit where the criminals break into your house and quickly steal what they can. It is more like the criminals break in to your house and then demand that you provide for all their needs and in return they will do some landscaping....
You must not be too good at analytical math.
First, your $90 billion number is false. Most studies have determined that illegal immigrants are net contributors to the Federal coffers and a small plus or minus on local budgets depending on where you are.
Second, even if the $90 billion were accurate, its not as if the US will suddenly realize a $90 billion saving when the wall is built, because the wall does not address (a) immigrants already here or (b) visa overstayers and those entering illegally through ports of entry, who comprise the majority of illegal immigrants. Moreover, as your fellow wall acolytes acknowledge, the wall will serve as a mere deterrent or delay to a portion of those crossing the Southern border and will not stop the flow altogether.
So what you're talking about is a reduction (or delay) in a small segment of overall illegal immigrants and would remove no one from the US. Even putting aside that the $90 billion number is provably false, how would that save enough money to justify the wall, particularly when equally (if not more) effective measures are more cheaply available?
And, let’s see those actual quotes you keep bandying about.
Actual quote from a former BP agent:
“"The problem we face since then, and we continue to face it today, is no one defines what success looks like," Manjarrez said. Today, apprehensions are at a 20-year low, the State Department reports there is no credible evidence of terrorists moving across the Southern border, and the more harmful narcotics, like methamphetamines, are smuggled mostly in vehicles through the official ports of entry.”
“Nine congressional representatives serve the districts that line the 2,000-mile southern border. They are men, women, freshman politicians and Washington veterans. The Democrats among them span liberal ideologies, while one of them is a Republican.
But they all have one thing in common: each is against President Donald Trump's border wall.”
But, yeah, everyone knows better than people who actually live on the southern border.
Not to mention the fact that the biggest drug problem in the U.S. today is opioids, which are produced in laboratories by the giant pharmaceutical companies. Maybe we should build a wall around New Jersey.
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