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Old 02-13-2019, 08:36 PM
 
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That's the wrinkle. It's not, at least so far. Earlier we've talked about the irrigation networks and other uses made of that property. The government is not about to go into the cow business. More important, the Federal government is not about to take the Rio Grande away from Texas.

The current fencing along the Rio Grande left gaps for property owners to access their property. Already, there are hundreds of gates installed with hundreds more (about 900 ?). And that on the current fencing. The gates have key pads. For road access they are left open for about 5 minutes after the home owner drives away.

That's the flaw in the current fence design and why an upgraded wall is needed. You're looking at how things are not how they will be. If how things are were adequate we wouldn't be having this discussion. Show me some pics of these access gates in the new design (they are not as common in current design as you suggest). The primary reason many border landowners oppose the wall is these loopholes are closed.



There are ways of controlling proprty without taking ownership of it. It's called "easements" and is used in populated areas everywhere.

 
Old 02-13-2019, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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yall do know that fence, wall , barrier is all interchangeable, since day one, it was never going be a 30 foot concrete solid wall, but that would of been nice
That is correct, liberals/democrats will never used the term "wall" despite the fact that's exactly what it is. "Barrier, fencing, wall, etc." it's all the same.
 
Old 02-13-2019, 08:55 PM
 
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That is correct, liberals/democrats will never used the term "wall" despite the fact that's exactly what it is. "Barrier, fencing, wall, etc." it's all the same.
They'll argue semantics for thousands of pages with the only purpose of obstructing and protecting illegal activities.
 
Old 02-13-2019, 08:56 PM
 
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While doing a fair amount of driving by myself yesterday, I happened upon an interview on the radio with the Mayor of El Paso. After listening to most of it, I couldn't help but marvel at how free Trump is to spread false propaganda and how willing Trump supporters are to accept all of it seemingly without question.

"El Paso, Texas, Mayor Dee Margo (R) said Saturday that he would "absolutely" correct President Trump if he repeats a false line about crime in the border city during a campaign rally."

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ats-false-info

And the mayor also said "In a tweet responding to the speech, Margo said the fencing had "impacted illegal immigration and curbed criminal activity" but was not the "sole deterrent."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/11/polit...ntv/index.html
 
Old 02-13-2019, 09:23 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Are there people who actually think the thieves and killers stayed in Juarez because they "just wanted to"?
Who on earth would think that?!
They stayed in Juarez because they couldn't get across the border to El Paso. Is this hard?!
 
Old 02-14-2019, 12:36 AM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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That is correct, liberals/democrats will never used the term "wall" despite the fact that's exactly what it is. "Barrier, fencing, wall, etc." it's all the same.
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They'll argue semantics for thousands of pages with the only purpose of obstructing and protecting illegal activities.
Sounds like Republicans talking about "witch hunts" and wondering how long the investigations into Trump has to last.
 
Old 02-14-2019, 03:40 AM
 
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So there are no illegal aliens crossing our border for any reason? There are 30,000 crossing every single month and WTH does their skin color have to do with anything?
Ask your president what skin color has to do with immigration. To him, it is everything. For a supposedly leader of one of the greatest countries in the world he is the biggest known bigot I know of.
 
Old 02-14-2019, 06:00 AM
 
Location: Texas
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They'll argue semantics for thousands of pages with the only purpose of obstructing and protecting illegal activities.

You can argue that tRump is getting his wall, but even you know he isn't. And you know it's tRump who is semantically squirming, saying the 55 miles of fence extension in the current deal will be "his wall."

1) The 200 yards of "tRump's wall" that will never be extended.

2) The Obama-Dubya border fence, built years ago.

You and tRump can play whatever word games you need to soothe your egos, but it's #2 that's being built. An extension of the long existing barrier approved back in 2006 with lots of Dem support.

 
Old 02-14-2019, 06:40 AM
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Location: On the Border
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Are there people who actually think the thieves and killers stayed in Juarez because they "just wanted to"?
Who on earth would think that?!
They stayed in Juarez because they couldn't get across the border to El Paso. Is this hard?!
Of course they wanted to. They couldn't operate their business with impunity in the US. We have the rule of law. In Juarez they own the law. They have hundreds (if not thousands) of operatives in the the states but the leaders don't want to come here. They end up like El Chapo when they do.

The ignorance of people in other parts of the country (I live 40 miles from EP and Juarez and grew up spending plenty of time in both cities) is just appalling. No offense.
 
Old 02-14-2019, 08:22 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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You can argue that tRump is getting his wall, but even you know he isn't. And you know it's tRump who is semantically squirming, saying the 55 miles of fence extension in the current deal will be "his wall."

1) The 200 yards of "tRump's wall" that will never be extended.

2) The Obama-Dubya border fence, built years ago.

You and tRump can play whatever word games you need to soothe your egos, but it's #2 that's being built. An extension of the long existing barrier approved back in 2006 with lots of Dem support.

The Donald J. Trump memorial FENCE. Make America Guffaw Again.
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