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They don’t come here wanting a free ride. They work and pay taxes. And there are many industries that can’t afford to lose them such as farming. They play a vital role in our economy
Illegal aliens cost over 100 billion dollars a year, and yes that's after all the taxes they pay are figured in. Only 4% of them work in farming, and we have a guest worker program that addresses the need for farm hands. http://http://www.pewhispanic.org/20...ls-since-2007/
Even worse than the cost in dollars is the human cost. In the past two months alone, illegal aliens have been arrested for murdering 19 Americans, and 20 for raping children as young as six years old. In 2018, ICE deported 80,730 drunk drivers, and over 50,000 for assault. 19 people who would be alive today, and 20 children who wouldn't have had their young lives devastated, if those illegal aliens hadn't been here. Is this acceptable to you?
Right off the boat, it starts off with two interesting points - first that, as I've said, there was a deliberate ploy to whip up public frenzy over the minor issue of immigration, and, second, the implication is that Trump may be so fixated on the idea of a wall because he thinks of himself as a builder. That latter point makes particular sense, because Trump's thinking it so limited, so narrow, that it stands to reason he can only think about something tangible, not about concepts, like poverty or civil rights.
How the Border Wall Is Boxing Trump In
By Julie Hirschfeld Davis and Peter Baker
They don’t come here wanting a free ride. They work and pay taxes. And there are many industries that can’t afford to lose them such as farming. They play a vital role in our economy
They play a vital role for employers in a wide variety of industries by keeping American workers underpaid.
They play a vital role in the economy that benefits the 0.1% that funds what used to be the worker's party.
What illegal immigrants receive (more than $8k/yr) far outweighs any taxes they might pay, and with so many of them working off the books, who knows how much tax-free income they collect while maxing-out on welfare benefits.
They don’t come here wanting a free ride. They work and pay taxes. And there are many industries that can’t afford to lose them such as farming. They play a vital role in our economy
And the democrats are trying to turn the country permanently blue with their open borders policy so that the republican candidate will never win another election. That doesn't fly, in my book.
It is unreal how you and others have been brainwashed into thinking most if not all come here to work. The criminals and gang members are not coming here to work, and rest assured many are on government welfare programs and taking up tons of resources.
Sure not all or even 51% are as I pointed out, but rest assured the huge cost illegal aliens pose is far greater than you are either aware of, or care to admit.
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This doesn't really come close to the core problem. If our immigration policies were current with the times we are now in, and if their support technology, along with the border security technology, was up to date and plentiful, we wouldn't have as many criminal aliens coming over our borders. They would be captured before they could cross.
And the other immigrants are no different in any way from all our ancestors who came. It is to be expected that most will never fill our welfare rolls, or take up tons of resources. Just like our ancestors, most will find work, try to improve their lot, and try to get their kids educated to a level high enough to escape whatever poverty they may endure.
And just like our ancestors, some will immediately rise to prominence socially and financially, and become brand-new job creators. And see their children go into politics.
There's nothing new or different with our immigrants. The only difference there ever was, or will be, are the groups who immigrate. No wall ever stopped any of them before, and no wall will stop them now.
But immigration problems will continue, just as they have always done too. The groups of immigrants change because conditions around the world constantly change as other nations fall into poverty and despair for many different reasons.
This makes the wall doubly stupid, as Mexico is not impoverished, it is not deficient in modern world technology, and it is very unlikely to go to war. At any time, the folks there could be doing so well they don't want to immigrate from necessity but from choice, and we would be better off welcoming the few who want to come here.
That too, is nothing new. It is the reason why so many Mexican-Americans exist as multi-generation citizens now.
No edifice can ever correct outdated and non-functional immigration policy.
All a wall will be is an enduring monument to a failed President and his followers.
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This doesn't really come close to the core problem. If our immigration policies were current with the times we are now in, and if their support technology, along with the border security technology, was up to date and plentiful, we wouldn't have as many criminal aliens coming over our borders. They would be captured before they could cross.
And the other immigrants are no different in any way from all our ancestors who came. It is to be expected that most will never fill our welfare rolls, or take up tons of resources. Just like our ancestors, most will find work, try to improve their lot, and try to get their kids educated to a level high enough to escape whatever poverty they may endure.
And just like our ancestors, some will immediately rise to prominence socially and financially, and become brand-new job creators. And see their children go into politics.
There's nothing new or different with our immigrants. The only difference there ever was, or will be, are the groups who immigrate. No wall ever stopped any of them before, and no wall will stop them now.
But immigration problems will continue, just as they have always done too. The groups of immigrants change because conditions around the world constantly change as other nations fall into poverty and despair for many different reasons.
This makes the wall doubly stupid, as Mexico is not impoverished, it is not deficient in modern world technology, and it is very unlikely to go to war. At any time, the folks there could be doing so well they don't want to immigrate from necessity but from choice, and we would be better off welcoming the few who want to come here.
That too, is nothing new. It is the reason why so many Mexican-Americans exist as multi-generation citizens now.
No edifice can ever correct outdated and non-functional immigration policy.
All a wall will be is an enduring monument to a failed President and his followers.
If they put up a wall, who would pay to have the eyesore removed, after Trump is kicked to the curb?
If they put up a wall, who would pay to have the eyesore removed, after Trump is kicked to the curb?
No one throws good money at bad money.
Excepting monuments. They are supposed to last, and they get the names of those who supported it cut into it for all to see forever. Trump will demand extra-large letters cut into it for his name. They will be gold leafed, of course, so they will really stand out.
(that's snark of course.) The wall would just be abandoned to slowly crumble as time gnaws at it, ugly, useless, and a reminder of a time when a lot of people temporarily lost their minds.
19 people who would be alive today ... Is this acceptable to you?
Is it Americans you are concerned about? If so, how about we address the 35,000 Americans who die in auto accidents each year. Or even the 35,000 Americans who die via firearms each year. With all due respect ... those 19 you discuss just barely scratch the surface of a couple of real problems we have here.
Is it the money that is your real concern? If so, then, like someone else suggested, lets go after our fellow citizens who are not contributing ... I think Tn. and Ky. where mentioned as great places to start.
Or perhaps this is about something else intirely.
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