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What are you talking about? The black revolutionary movement was never anything more than a super tiny subset of the Civil Rights movement and truth be told, they never gained any real traction. If it had, a helluva lot of white folks in authority would’ve been DEAD.
And yeah, some of them embraced Marxism, but so what? So did a lot of American Jews in the early decades of the century. That never amounted to anything either. At least African American revolutionary types did so for a good reason. The rewards in our system of capitalism rarely ever trickled down to them no matter how hard they worked.
Angela Davis was raised in 1940’s, 50’s and 60’s Birmingham. You’re in no position to speak about what she should’ve embraced. Please.
Seems a bit hypocritical to embrace regimes that were oppressive to their own people.
Angela Davis was raised in 1940’s, 50’s and 60’s Birmingham. You’re in no position to speak about what she should’ve embraced. Please.
When you consider all the undemocratic things Black-Americans have had to deal with historically in the U.S I would think that Black-Americans would be the most unlikely people to embrace an undemocratic system like Communism. Maybe it's all the redistribution and equality talk coming from Communist that cause some to overlook the oppression.
When you consider all the undemocratic things Black-Americans have had to deal with historically in the U.S I would think that Black-Americans would be the most unlikely people to embrace an undemocratic system like Communism. Maybe it's all the redistribution and equality talk coming from Communist that cause some to overlook the oppression.
Yeah, well you’re not in their shoes.
Besides, what system were they supposed to embrace? The one they were living under in the United States? How democratic was THAT for African Americans at the time?
So. The United States partnered with the worst, most murderous communist regime on Earth in the 1940’s.
Angela Davis, an African American subjected to the South’s worst humiliations, grew up in Birmingham during one of its most violent eras, and she’s denied some honor because some Jews don’t like the fact that she’s pro-Palestinian? Really?
LMAO.. that’s rich.
I thought the same thing. Really is some BS IMO as she is from Birmingham and grew up during their "bombing" domestic terrorism period against black people. Too often the whole Israeli/Palestinian thing is brought up to try to disparage someone unnecessarily.
Note, I don't agree with everything that Angela Davis speaks/writes about today but this only serves to portray this organization negatively IMO.
Seems a bit hypocritical to embrace regimes that were oppressive to their own people.
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I think the worst thing Black revolutionaries like Angela Davis and the Black Panthers did was embracing Marxism. If any group of people need to learn to utilize capitalism it's Black folks in the U.S. Too many Black communities are lacking economic options that more Black business ownership could bring. But to do this means more Blacks will have to become capitalist.
I recently saw a video about a young Black woman in Compton who owns the only Black owned grocery store in California. Think about that. There's only one Black owned grocery store in the whole state of California! This lack of business ownership(capitalism) is only contributing to higher Black unemployment. These Black revolutionaries need to rethink Capitalism and be open to it where it's needed.
On these, as desert detroiter stated - this was a minor faction of black America in the 20th century. A majority of blacks in America didn't agree with a marxist/communist platform primarily because they knew that racism was a psychological condition in America that would not be impacted by any sort of marxist philosophy. In the early 1900s in particular, there were some blacks who felt that communism/socialism could be a "cure" for racism and there was an intense intellectual debate about this via scholarly works of black people along with in various black media outlets/publications. The consensus was that communism/socialism just like capitalism, would not be of any useful advantage or benefit to blacks because racism was entrenched in American society and it would usurp any sort of financial/economic positives of those systems.
Idealists like Davis and earlier black activists felt they could build camraderie with white poor and working class people on the basis of their combined strength as the working masses. However, other black activist WEB DuBois in particular and others in the earlier part of the 20th century often cited the fact that whites were racist against blacks in labor movements and unions and would continue to be so and that us combining with them on labor issues/worker's rights would be of no benefit to our demographic since we were not even seen as full, equal citizens of this nation. Later on in life interesting, DuBois actually officially became a communist in the 1960s after he finally got completely discouraged with American overt oppression and not feeling there was any significant ground gained during his lifetime of activism. He was in his 90s when he joined in the 1960s and died in 1963 so didn't live to see the gains made. I always wonder if he would have rescinded that letter of support for communism if he'd lived to see that much of what he advocated for during 70 years of his life, came to fruition.
As opposed to embracing their own domestic regime that was oppressive to their own people?
So what you are saying is you can't fight for civil rights without supporting murderous communist dictators? Please. There are plenty of civil rights leaders, of all colors, who did not support oppressive dictatorships. Stasi sympathizer Angela Davis is not one of them. Now that most of these regimes collapsed, and those oppressed people are released from jails, they can't demand that the people who supported keeping them in prisons don't get civil rights awards?
So what you are saying is you can't fight for civil rights without supporting murderous communist dictators? Please. There are plenty of civil rights leaders, of all colors, who did not support oppressive dictatorships. Stasi sympathizer Angela Davis is not one of them. Now that most of these regimes collapsed, and those oppressed people are released from jails, they can't demand that the people who supported keeping them in prisons don't get civil rights awards?
How African Americans decide to fight for Civil Rights is their business. Murderous regimes? African Americans lived under several murderous state regimes right here in the United States.
Moreover, the United States has supported, sponsored, and installed murderius regimes all over the world. But now all of a sudden when it comes to lil ol Angela Davis, everyone wants to get their knickers in a bunch because she found friends in Castro or some other commie dictator? GTHOH.
The United States is RIGHT NOW holding men in prison without a trial, and we’ve been doing so for nearly two decades.
Seems to me that the idea that African-American civil rights being “their business” should apply across the board: Palestinian/Israeli civil rights are their business. Seems if Davis stayed out of them, she wouldn’t be where she is right now: mad about losing an honor.
Black activist can waste a lot of collateral picking sides in religious wars. Sometimes both sides can be supportive of the black cause.
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