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Old 01-12-2019, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Refugees or illegals? Follow the laws regarding legal entry and most people don't have a problem with you.
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Old 01-12-2019, 03:00 PM
 
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There are many ways to keep them from coming here.
We could use the capitalist approach of supply and demand.

There will be no supply coming here if the demand does not exist here.
Jail employers that hire them.
How will that detour the ones that do come to rob, rape, and murder ? We know they are not the majority but they know their occupation and a law or a drone won't stop them. Shouldn't they be funneled into a check point like the TSA check points ?
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Old 01-12-2019, 03:41 PM
 
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Refugees or illegals? Follow the laws regarding legal entry and most people don't have a problem with you.
Except one too many people who might feel entitled to be here illegally.
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Old 01-12-2019, 04:14 PM
 
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Real refugees should not be punished.

The problem is that many people aren't actually refugees but abuse those laws for their own benefit. These people should be punished.

I often wonder if there is a way to reform the refugee process not just for the USA but worldwide. One thing I was contemplating was that asylum seekers would only get temporary residence in the country they sought refuge (presumably from a government that want to prosecute or kill or them). When their case is heard, and it's decided that yes indeed they need refuge, they'd be entered into a lottery of potential countries - poor and rich. This should diminish the incentive for economic migrants to abuse international asylum laws.
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Old 01-12-2019, 04:22 PM
 
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I'm not sure that's correct. Seems to me that Trump demonizes all Central Americans, not just refugees.
If you would stop listening to liberal media you'd learn that you are wrong. I don't see anything wrong with wanting to know who is coming into our country.
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Old 01-12-2019, 05:06 PM
 
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We are demonizing refugees instead of the corrupt countries they come from. Governments that do not protect their own citizens. Mexico being one place yet we do trade with them. These governments must be held accountable and we need to be more selective about the countries we do trade with. The UN fails miserably.

Corruption is the enemy. Big Money pays for it.
It's never okay to demonize refugees. One thing though is that word is being used far too broadly. The people sailing the Mediterranean from Africa or crossing the US border from Mexico are not refugees. People from places like Syria, Yemen or South Sudan legitimately can call themselves refugees due to their nation's civil society having collapsed. I'd argue places like Venezuela are on the cusp of such. Same applies to those fleeting persecution like say Jews in the 1930s etc.

Many of the people migrating are not refugees. In fact, the sad reality is the people most vulnerable are often the ones too fragile (due to extreme poverty, malnutrition, age, illiteracy) to even make illegal trips. While everyone deserves compassion and understanding, the fact is the rich world can't take everyone and calling everyone a "refugee" actually lessens the plight of those who actually are in fact fleeing for their lives.

Many of these countries, of which I feel Mexico is one, firmly believe that the first world should serve as their safety net, absorbing the people which they have no interest in providing for. The Mexican elites live quite well down in Mexico City and are all too happy to have their "unwanted" flee starving. This is not a knock on the Mexican people, who are a strong, beautiful people.

What we should do is place sanctions on all the Mexican (and other third world) politicians, business leaders, and other movers and shakers until they get their house in order. No buying villas in France or having their kids study in Harvard. Keep your country crappy? Then prepare to lose your money.
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Old 01-12-2019, 05:10 PM
 
Location: DFW
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So how many refugees can we take into the US? 10, 30, 50 100 millon more?

What happens when China starts shipping them over by the boat load ?

How many is too many ? Seriously.
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Old 01-12-2019, 05:14 PM
 
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You do realize that our CIA overthrew the democratically elected governments in Guatemala and Honduras and kept criminals running El Salvador in power. After that, Guatemala executed over 100,000 Mayans for being Mayan and El Salvador executed over 80,000.

Good grief, I wish the moonbats could make up their minds if the CIA is impotent or omnipotent. Is there any tyrannical regime in the world that was not masterfully "installed"? Is there any problem in the workd that isn't the result of CIA bungling the situation?
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Old 01-12-2019, 05:17 PM
 
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It’s not about “punishing”. It’s about security and resource management.
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Old 01-12-2019, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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You do realize that our CIA overthrew the democratically elected governments in Guatemala and Honduras and kept criminals running El Salvador in power. After that, Guatemala executed over 100,000 Mayans for being Mayan and El Salvador executed over 80,000.
Well, that's what I pay taxes for...duh!
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