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Old 01-15-2019, 03:22 PM
 
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Stop giving welfare checks to people who drop them on gallons of soda and pounds of sugar at the local Walmart, driving up diabetes and heart disease risks which contributing members of society like myself pay for
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Old 01-16-2019, 06:23 AM
 
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Is that you, Martin Skreli?

Research happens in Europe and they do not let nearly as much shenanigans re patents and rebranding, evergreening, patent layering...

Why is it solely the responsibility of the US consumer to take one up the backside for drug research?

Yes I know it will never happen. Big pharma OWNS congress. Billy Tauzin should be in jail instead of a mansion.

I hope you don't think you ave any credibility with your baseless biased claims.
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Old 01-16-2019, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Nowhere
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This just happened in my city last month. LONGEST EVER STAY in Prenatal Care.


Preemie graduates from HCMC after 515-day hospital stay - StarTribune.com


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The hospital was not able to provide a cost estimate on Oliver’s care, but neonatal intensive care at major Twin Cities hospitals runs about $9,000 to $10,000 a day, according to the Minnesota Hospital Association. Those charges do not include the bills submitted by physicians.
If you had to guess, you can imagine this one baby set back the tax payers back MILLIONS of dollars.


And guess what? The parents can't speak English.


It goes without saying we are glad the baby is healthy, but the baby (the parents) should not have been in this country. The taxpayers should not be on the hook for millions of dollars.


And that is just one example. This happens everywhere, every day, in America.
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Old 01-17-2019, 05:48 AM
 
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What the average doctor makes, depends on whether they are a primary care doctor or a hospital doctor.

My point remains the same. The reason healthcare is more in America is multi faceted and not because its mostly privately run instead of government run. If it was suddenly switched to government run healthcare and the costs were not brought into check, doctor salaries, tort reform issues and drug costs to name 3 we will have the same issues. Insurance company profits are in the single digits.
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Old 01-17-2019, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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My point remains the same. The reason healthcare is more in America is multi faceted and not because its mostly privately run instead of government run. If it was suddenly switched to government run healthcare and the costs were not brought into check, doctor salaries, tort reform issues and drug costs to name 3 we will have the same issues. Insurance company profits are in the single digits.
The opposite is true under Government Controlled heathcare, pharma companires have to negotiate with one big customer, and they either negotiate a reasonable price or they don't get to sell their drugs and make a profit.

This is one of the reasons pharma drugs are cheaper in the UK than the US.

The same is true of doctors salaries which are again protected from being extortionate by the fact that most doctors work for the NHS.

As for torts, you can launch legal cases in relation to medical negligence, however once again the sums awarded should be sensible and not extortionate, and this can be set out in regulations.

Whilst I don't think an NHS single payer health insurance is a good fit for the US, there are other universal healthcare systems in the world which the US can look to, as for the NHS it is a good fit for a country like the UK, and is popular with the general public.

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Old 01-17-2019, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Florida
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This just happened in my city last month. LONGEST EVER STAY in Prenatal Care.

If you had to guess, you can imagine this one baby set back the tax payers back MILLIONS of dollars.
Why? Did the hospital bill the taxpayer? Did they bill anyone?

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It goes without saying we are glad the baby is healthy, but the baby (the parents) should not have been in this country.
Are you saying that because they have a Spanish last name? The article does not say they were illegal immigrants.

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And that is just one example. This happens everywhere, every day, in America.
The article says such long stay was the longest in US history, which means it has happened only one time, not every day.
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Old 01-17-2019, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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This just happened in my city last month. LONGEST EVER STAY in Prenatal Care.


Preemie graduates from HCMC after 515-day hospital stay - StarTribune.com




If you had to guess, you can imagine this one baby set back the tax payers back MILLIONS of dollars.


And guess what? The parents can't speak English.


It goes without saying we are glad the baby is healthy, but the baby (the parents) should not have been in this country. The taxpayers should not be on the hook for millions of dollars.



And that is just one example. This happens everywhere, every day, in America.
I've read quite a few articles about this case, including the one you shared, and none have implied the parents didn't speak English or were not legally in the US. Why did you?
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Old 01-17-2019, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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FALSE. FALSE. FALSE..

Unsolicited responses. I ask real human being Canadians that I meet what they think of the Canadian health care.
EVERY ONE that I ask states that they like it. All have a positive response. Meeting Canadians visiting North Caroline to Arizona. To Canadian bikers attending Sturgess. ALL like and approve of the Canadian health care.

They like and appreciate that they can see a medical professional right away if needed. Yes, right away.

Now lets move on to specialists. Yes, there is a waiting time for specialists in Canada. There IS a waiting time to see a specialist in the United States.

As for quoting statistics from the Frazer Institute:

"It is important to note that these surveys do not report the actual wait time, but reflect estimates by patients (CCHS) or specialist physicians (Fraser Institute). Both are subject to recall bias, and the Fraser Institute's survey has a response rate of only 16%, raising questions about its bias." LINK



Statistically Canadians live longer then those who live in the United States. Must be the air, eh?
You must be talking to difference Canadians! I've spent plenty of time in Canada and have lots of Canadian clients, I've heard plenty of complaints. Most say it is a good place to be really healthy or really sick. In between......not so much. Much son had to have a hip replacement here in the states. From diagnosis to replacement was 2 weeks. Try that in Canada!

As far as the life expectancy, Canada has very different demographics....comparing apples to oranges.
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Old 01-17-2019, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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You must be talking to difference Canadians! I've spent plenty of time in Canada and have lots of Canadian clients, I've heard plenty of complaints. Most say it is a good place to be really healthy or really sick. In between......not so much. Much son had to have a hip replacement here in the states. From diagnosis to replacement was 2 weeks. Try that in Canada!

As far as the life expectancy, Canada has very different demographics....comparing apples to oranges.

At one of the best cancer centers in the country (and the world), it was 2 1/2 months between beginning the diagnosis process and beginning a subpar treatment. It was more than a month between diagnosis and treatment beginning. Why? My insurance put up roadblocks and ultimately overrode my medical team's recommendations. As a result, I had a less effective, more toxic treatment that has left me with permanent lung damage that my insurance and I will have to cover for at 50 or 60 years.

In Canada? People on the support forum I was a part of went from symptoms to treatment in less than 2 weeks. They got the recommended more effective chemotherapy regime, no questions asked.
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Old 01-17-2019, 05:57 PM
 
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My point remains the same. The reason healthcare is more in America is multi faceted and not because its mostly privately run instead of government run. If it was suddenly switched to government run healthcare and the costs were not brought into check, doctor salaries, tort reform issues and drug costs to name 3 we will have the same issues. Insurance company profits are in the single digits.
Yeah, about that: what matters is the difference between premiums collected and the amount that's paid out.
Profits might be in the single digits but the overhead is huge. Much larger than that of medicare. That 100 mil CEO salary needs to come from somewhere.
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