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Old 01-14-2019, 12:49 PM
 
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Because as has already been stated more than once: this is a private hospital, operating outside of the Canadian public healthcare system, that accepts cash from it's global patients who go there for the unique non-mesh hernia repair procedures that they offer.
Non-mesh hernia repair is not 'unique' my husband had one done in Nevada in 2008
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Old 01-14-2019, 12:50 PM
 
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^I am sure he would only seek out the best care.
(The US may spend more than any other country on health Care, but our results are often mediocre in many respects.)
actually our results are better than most other countries




France, Canada, Germany, and England have WORSE OUTCOMES of treatment and diagnosis

Frances health care system is BROKE, as in out of money


German system is losing money like a colander..so much that the chancellor her self said they have to cut care or else



we know, American health care costs more.....


American health care has better results too







we have 330 million population

we spend massively, because we atleast address the problems

we have millions that have diabetes...other country dont diagnose as much as we do

we have millions that have monocular degeneration (blindness) other countries dont fully treat as well as we do

its the same with most thing...look at the numbers we (the usa) has a better 'treatment' record (life after diagnoses) than all other countries.

1: Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers. Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the U.K. and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.

2: Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians. Breast cancer mortality is 9 percent higher, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher and colon cancer mortality among men is about 10 percent higher than in the United States.

3: Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries. Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease. By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons and 17 percent of Italians receive them.

4: Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians. Take the proportion of the appropriate-age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostate and colon cancer:

Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).
Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a pap smear, compared to less than 90 percent of Canadians.
More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a PSA test, compared to less than 1 in 6 Canadians (16 percent).
Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5 percent).

5: Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor."

6: Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the U.K. Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long - sometimes more than a year - to see a specialist, to have elective surgery like hip replacements or to get radiation treatment for cancer. All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada. In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.

7: People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed. More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British adults say their health system needs either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding."

8: Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. When asked about their own health care instead of the "health care system," more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared to only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).

9: Americans have much better access to important new technologies like medical imaging than patients in Canada or the U.K. Maligned as a waste by economists and policymakers naïve to actual medical practice, an overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identified computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade. The United States has 34 CT scanners per million Americans, compared to 12 in Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has nearly 27 MRI machines per million compared to about 6 per million in Canada and Britain.

Fact No. 10: Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations. The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other single developed country.[14] Since the mid-1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to American residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined. In only five of the past 34 years did a scientist living in America not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.

Conclusion. , the U.S. health care system compares MORE favorably to those in other developed countries

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/sec...pe-and-canada/



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If healthcare costs less in Germany, then why does Germany have to ration?
Healthcare costs less, but Germany can't give you the medication you need, because they can't afford to buy it.


yes we spend a lot on healthcare...but we also have the BEST RECORDS of health.........



our outcomes (diagnosis and TREATMENT, and RECOVERY) is some of the BEST in the world
a) we rank in the top 10 of RECOVERY from cancer

b)American women have a 63 percent chance of living at least five years after a cancer diagnosis, compared to 56 percent for European women.
c)American men have a five-year survival rate of 66 percent — compared to only 47 percent for European men.
d)Among European countries, only Sweden has an overall survival rate for men of more than 60 percent.
e)For women, only three European countries (Sweden, Belgium and Switzerland) have an overall survival rate of more than 60 percent.

that is the ranking of care available to all Americans, not just those with private health coverage. Great Britain, known for its 50-year-old government-run, universal health care system, fares worse than the European average: British men have a five-year survival rate of only 45 percent; women, only 53 percent.


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how about a comparison to Canada???

a)For women, the average survival rate for all cancers is 61 percent in the United States, compared to 58 percent in Canada.

b)For men, the average survival rate for all cancers is 57 percent in the United States, compared to 53 percent in Canada.


In the United States, 85 percent of women aged 25 to 64 years have regular PAP smears, compared with 58 percent in Great Britain. The same is true for mammograms; in the United States, 84 percent of women aged 50 to 64 years get them regularly — a higher percentage than in Australia, Canada or New Zealand, and far higher than the 63 percent of British women.







which country has the highest cancer rate (cases not recovery)...Denmark..they are the SICKEST (in terms of cancer) in the world
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Old 01-14-2019, 12:53 PM
 
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and do you have any idea how much you would pay if we go with single payer? Do you remember how much we paid in insurance before Obama care? Plus do you have even a clue what you would pay in taxes if we were to adopt a plan like Canada or UK?


How much?

Along with documentation validating the amount.
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Old 01-14-2019, 12:57 PM
 
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actually our results are better than most other countries




France, Canada, Germany, and England have WORSE OUTCOMES of treatment and diagnosis

Frances health care system is BROKE, as in out of money


German system is losing money like a colander..so much that the chancellor her self said they have to cut care or else



we know, American health care costs more.....


American health care has better results too







we have 330 million population

we spend massively, because we atleast address the problems

we have millions that have diabetes...other country dont diagnose as much as we do

we have millions that have monocular degeneration (blindness) other countries dont fully treat as well as we do

its the same with most thing...look at the numbers we (the usa) has a better 'treatment' record (life after diagnoses) than all other countries.

1: Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers. Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the U.K. and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.

2: Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians. Breast cancer mortality is 9 percent higher, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher and colon cancer mortality among men is about 10 percent higher than in the United States.

3: Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries. Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease. By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons and 17 percent of Italians receive them.

4: Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians. Take the proportion of the appropriate-age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostate and colon cancer:

Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).
Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a pap smear, compared to less than 90 percent of Canadians.
More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a PSA test, compared to less than 1 in 6 Canadians (16 percent).
Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5 percent).

5: Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor."

6: Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the U.K. Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long - sometimes more than a year - to see a specialist, to have elective surgery like hip replacements or to get radiation treatment for cancer. All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada. In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.

7: People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed. More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British adults say their health system needs either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding."

8: Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. When asked about their own health care instead of the "health care system," more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared to only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).

9: Americans have much better access to important new technologies like medical imaging than patients in Canada or the U.K. Maligned as a waste by economists and policymakers naïve to actual medical practice, an overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identified computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade. The United States has 34 CT scanners per million Americans, compared to 12 in Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has nearly 27 MRI machines per million compared to about 6 per million in Canada and Britain.

Fact No. 10: Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations. The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other single developed country.[14] Since the mid-1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to American residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined. In only five of the past 34 years did a scientist living in America not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.

Conclusion. , the U.S. health care system compares MORE favorably to those in other developed countries

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/sec...pe-and-canada/



================================================

If healthcare costs less in Germany, then why does Germany have to ration?
Healthcare costs less, but Germany can't give you the medication you need, because they can't afford to buy it.


yes we spend a lot on healthcare...but we also have the BEST RECORDS of health.........



our outcomes (diagnosis and TREATMENT, and RECOVERY) is some of the BEST in the world
a) we rank in the top 10 of RECOVERY from cancer

b)American women have a 63 percent chance of living at least five years after a cancer diagnosis, compared to 56 percent for European women.
c)American men have a five-year survival rate of 66 percent — compared to only 47 percent for European men.
d)Among European countries, only Sweden has an overall survival rate for men of more than 60 percent.
e)For women, only three European countries (Sweden, Belgium and Switzerland) have an overall survival rate of more than 60 percent.

that is the ranking of care available to all Americans, not just those with private health coverage. Great Britain, known for its 50-year-old government-run, universal health care system, fares worse than the European average: British men have a five-year survival rate of only 45 percent; women, only 53 percent.


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how about a comparison to Canada???

a)For women, the average survival rate for all cancers is 61 percent in the United States, compared to 58 percent in Canada.

b)For men, the average survival rate for all cancers is 57 percent in the United States, compared to 53 percent in Canada.


In the United States, 85 percent of women aged 25 to 64 years have regular PAP smears, compared with 58 percent in Great Britain. The same is true for mammograms; in the United States, 84 percent of women aged 50 to 64 years get them regularly — a higher percentage than in Australia, Canada or New Zealand, and far higher than the 63 percent of British women.







which country has the highest cancer rate (cases not recovery)...Denmark..they are the SICKEST (in terms of cancer) in the world

Your link only covers cancer survival rates which doesn't come remotely close to showing the big picture of healthcare. IF you want to cherry pick, shall we talk about average lifespans and/or infant mortality rates?
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Old 01-14-2019, 01:14 PM
 
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actually our results are better than most other countries




France, Canada, Germany, and England have WORSE OUTCOMES of treatment and diagnosis

Frances health care system is BROKE, as in out of money


German system is losing money like a colander..so much that the chancellor her self said they have to cut care or else



we know, American health care costs more.....


American health care has better results too







we have 330 million population

we spend massively, because we atleast address the problems

we have millions that have diabetes...other country dont diagnose as much as we do

we have millions that have monocular degeneration (blindness) other countries dont fully treat as well as we do

its the same with most thing...look at the numbers we (the usa) has a better 'treatment' record (life after diagnoses) than all other countries.

1: Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers. Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the U.K. and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.

2: Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians. Breast cancer mortality is 9 percent higher, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher and colon cancer mortality among men is about 10 percent higher than in the United States.

3: Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries. Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease. By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons and 17 percent of Italians receive them.

4: Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians. Take the proportion of the appropriate-age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostate and colon cancer:

Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).
Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a pap smear, compared to less than 90 percent of Canadians.
More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a PSA test, compared to less than 1 in 6 Canadians (16 percent).
Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5 percent).

5: Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor."

6: Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the U.K. Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long - sometimes more than a year - to see a specialist, to have elective surgery like hip replacements or to get radiation treatment for cancer. All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada. In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.

7: People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed. More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British adults say their health system needs either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding."

8: Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. When asked about their own health care instead of the "health care system," more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared to only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).

9: Americans have much better access to important new technologies like medical imaging than patients in Canada or the U.K. Maligned as a waste by economists and policymakers naïve to actual medical practice, an overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identified computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade. The United States has 34 CT scanners per million Americans, compared to 12 in Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has nearly 27 MRI machines per million compared to about 6 per million in Canada and Britain.

Fact No. 10: Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations. The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other single developed country.[14] Since the mid-1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to American residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined. In only five of the past 34 years did a scientist living in America not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.

Conclusion. , the U.S. health care system compares MORE favorably to those in other developed countries

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/sec...pe-and-canada/



================================================

If healthcare costs less in Germany, then why does Germany have to ration?
Healthcare costs less, but Germany can't give you the medication you need, because they can't afford to buy it.


yes we spend a lot on healthcare...but we also have the BEST RECORDS of health.........



our outcomes (diagnosis and TREATMENT, and RECOVERY) is some of the BEST in the world
a) we rank in the top 10 of RECOVERY from cancer

b)American women have a 63 percent chance of living at least five years after a cancer diagnosis, compared to 56 percent for European women.
c)American men have a five-year survival rate of 66 percent — compared to only 47 percent for European men.
d)Among European countries, only Sweden has an overall survival rate for men of more than 60 percent.
e)For women, only three European countries (Sweden, Belgium and Switzerland) have an overall survival rate of more than 60 percent.

that is the ranking of care available to all Americans, not just those with private health coverage. Great Britain, known for its 50-year-old government-run, universal health care system, fares worse than the European average: British men have a five-year survival rate of only 45 percent; women, only 53 percent.


--------------------------------------------------------------------


how about a comparison to Canada???

a)For women, the average survival rate for all cancers is 61 percent in the United States, compared to 58 percent in Canada.

b)For men, the average survival rate for all cancers is 57 percent in the United States, compared to 53 percent in Canada.


In the United States, 85 percent of women aged 25 to 64 years have regular PAP smears, compared with 58 percent in Great Britain. The same is true for mammograms; in the United States, 84 percent of women aged 50 to 64 years get them regularly — a higher percentage than in Australia, Canada or New Zealand, and far higher than the 63 percent of British women.







which country has the highest cancer rate (cases not recovery)...Denmark..they are the SICKEST (in terms of cancer) in the world

You only mention cancer.
Did you know that as far as life expectancy we are number 43...meaning 42 other countries have a higher life expectancy. (This is from one of our Governement's own websites...The CIA)


https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2102rank.html
The UK, Finnland, Germany, Iceland etc all rank better.
And we are sinking fast, way down from 2013 when we ranked in at 26th in life expectancy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.4740337e7ea2
Part of the reason is drug overdose and suicides, but let's not get all superior thinking our system is better than everyone else's. It is a far cry from that. And shows how much money you throw at something doesn't equate to how good it is.
Far from it.
And in America rich people get treatment and live approximately a decade longer than poor people.
Poor people get sick and die.
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Old 01-14-2019, 01:15 PM
 
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Your link only covers cancer survival rates which doesn't come remotely close to showing the big picture of healthcare. IF you want to cherry pick, shall we talk about average lifespans and/or infant mortality rates?
WHO's lifespan (life expectancy) has been debunked a dozen times

the usa ranked 31. a LE of 79.8

the highest is japan at 83.8


the difference between us and France ....1.2 year

the difference between us and Canada.....1.2 year


the difference between us and Germany...a HALF a year

the difference between us and the United Kingdom...4 months




life expectance is more about genetics and life style, than health care

we have a longer life expectancy than them as a whole

the number one place for life expectancy of asian women....USA


not to mention that life expectancy is more about genetics and LIFE STYLES (ie hamhocks, fried Twinkies, and fried chicken, mcdonalds, fatbacks certainly dont help)

most other places..they walk/bike
most other places don't have 4 tv's to a house


posting about life expectancy. Means actually very little to medicine

difference between us and the highest is....4.0 years ...is that relatively low (79yrs-83.8yrs)

and the reason...

is not health care


its....


LIFE STYLE (especially EATING, and EXERCISE), and demographics (ethnics)
demographics, to include eating habits, GENES, TEEN PREGNANCIES, traffic, cancer, etc..ALL effect those numbers


btw

asians have the HIGHEST life span...and FEMALE ASIAN AMERICANS have the highest life expectancy IN THE WORLD

its demographics


if you compared country "A" to country "B"...and said "A" has an average age of 38..and "B" has an average age of 51...which country do you think would be more PRODUCTIVE and HEALTHY

its the demographics


its like the life expectancy list

the USa has an AVERAGE life expectancy of 79.8 (number 30 something on the list)

but if you break it down further

in the USA, the asian american female has a life expectancy of 87(the HIGHEST in the WORLD)(((higher than the 84 in the actual country of japan)))
..whites are around 84...Hispanics around 77...and blacks have a LOW LIFE expectancy around 66m/68f....giving us the AVERAGE of 79.8.....if you took the (12-15% population) of blacks of that list..we would have one of the top three life expectancies in the world....

demographic plays BIG ROLES

funny japan is higher than any of the European countries...in life expectancy. And the 3rd lowest in infant mortality....connected...hmmmmm....certainly genetic


we also have the HIGHEST teen pregnancy ...which leads to low baby weight, and high infant mortality.....and the highest DEMOGRAPHIC with teen pregnancies...the african americans (especially southern AA)


life expectancy is not about health care.. but about healthy living.....too bad the liberhaddists dont understand that
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infant mortality= every country is different on how the measure that. to include still births....and on top of that the USA has a high teen pregnancy rating, which leads to a higher infant mortality ....... more about education than health care


infant mortality...which is NOT measured the same from country to country

...a) has ZERO to nill due with health care..has to due with teen pregos, and LIFE STYLES
...b) the US would have """""one of the lowest rates of age at first pregnancy""""""...especially since it has the HIGHEST RATE of TEEN prego's too...and New Mexico is has the highest rate of all 50 states
btw teen prego's...high risk, with usually lower baby weight.... according to webMD...high risk prego's are defined as..."""You are younger than 17 or older than 35.""""

....c) to rank a group on infant mortality, when many places dont even count it the same was is cherrypicking....ie many countries wont count a birth (infant death) if the unless the baby made it past 24 hour, so a 'bluebirth' doesnt count..yet we DO count it

a girl in my sons school just had a kid(at 14)..the funniest (well maybe not funny) is that as she says, "now I can get welfare just like my mom"
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Old 01-14-2019, 01:17 PM
 
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Your link only covers cancer survival rates which doesn't come remotely close to showing the big picture of healthcare. IF you want to cherry pick, shall we talk about average lifespans and/or infant mortality rates?
And it doesn't address the American Cancer Treatment Centers cherry picking of patients and treatments to artificially inflate their survival rates for just one (that got caught) entity that might be falsifying data to skew the figures for advertising purposes.

If you diagnose a non-existing cancer, then treat it accordingly....it stands to reason your stats would be good for a five year survival rate.......

We are all aware (or should be) that of course a for-profit driven system would have more of that going on than a publicly funded one.
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Old 01-14-2019, 01:29 PM
 
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actually our results are better than most other countries




France, Canada, Germany, and England have WORSE OUTCOMES of treatment and diagnosis

Frances health care system is BROKE, as in out of money


German system is losing money like a colander..so much that the chancellor her self said they have to cut care or else



we know, American health care costs more.....


American health care has better results too







we have 330 million population

we spend massively, because we atleast address the problems

we have millions that have diabetes...other country dont diagnose as much as we do

we have millions that have monocular degeneration (blindness) other countries dont fully treat as well as we do

its the same with most thing...look at the numbers we (the usa) has a better 'treatment' record (life after diagnoses) than all other countries.

1: Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers. Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the U.K. and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.

2: Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians. Breast cancer mortality is 9 percent higher, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher and colon cancer mortality among men is about 10 percent higher than in the United States.

3: Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries. Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease. By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons and 17 percent of Italians receive them.

4: Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians. Take the proportion of the appropriate-age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostate and colon cancer:

Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).
Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a pap smear, compared to less than 90 percent of Canadians.
More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a PSA test, compared to less than 1 in 6 Canadians (16 percent).
Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5 percent).

5: Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor."

6: Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the U.K. Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long - sometimes more than a year - to see a specialist, to have elective surgery like hip replacements or to get radiation treatment for cancer. All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada. In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.

7: People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed. More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British adults say their health system needs either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding."

8: Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. When asked about their own health care instead of the "health care system," more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared to only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).

9: Americans have much better access to important new technologies like medical imaging than patients in Canada or the U.K. Maligned as a waste by economists and policymakers naïve to actual medical practice, an overwhelming majority of leading American physicians identified computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) as the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade. The United States has 34 CT scanners per million Americans, compared to 12 in Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has nearly 27 MRI machines per million compared to about 6 per million in Canada and Britain.

Fact No. 10: Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations. The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other single developed country.[14] Since the mid-1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to American residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined. In only five of the past 34 years did a scientist living in America not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.

Conclusion. , the U.S. health care system compares MORE favorably to those in other developed countries

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/sec...pe-and-canada/



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If healthcare costs less in Germany, then why does Germany have to ration?
Healthcare costs less, but Germany can't give you the medication you need, because they can't afford to buy it.


yes we spend a lot on healthcare...but we also have the BEST RECORDS of health.........



our outcomes (diagnosis and TREATMENT, and RECOVERY) is some of the BEST in the world
a) we rank in the top 10 of RECOVERY from cancer

b)American women have a 63 percent chance of living at least five years after a cancer diagnosis, compared to 56 percent for European women.
c)American men have a five-year survival rate of 66 percent — compared to only 47 percent for European men.
d)Among European countries, only Sweden has an overall survival rate for men of more than 60 percent.
e)For women, only three European countries (Sweden, Belgium and Switzerland) have an overall survival rate of more than 60 percent.

that is the ranking of care available to all Americans, not just those with private health coverage. Great Britain, known for its 50-year-old government-run, universal health care system, fares worse than the European average: British men have a five-year survival rate of only 45 percent; women, only 53 percent.


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how about a comparison to Canada???

a)For women, the average survival rate for all cancers is 61 percent in the United States, compared to 58 percent in Canada.

b)For men, the average survival rate for all cancers is 57 percent in the United States, compared to 53 percent in Canada.


In the United States, 85 percent of women aged 25 to 64 years have regular PAP smears, compared with 58 percent in Great Britain. The same is true for mammograms; in the United States, 84 percent of women aged 50 to 64 years get them regularly — a higher percentage than in Australia, Canada or New Zealand, and far higher than the 63 percent of British women.







which country has the highest cancer rate (cases not recovery)...Denmark..they are the SICKEST (in terms of cancer) in the world
Cancer Yes. Other leading illnesses causing of death no.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/...able-countries
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Per the article they do see patients covered under Canadian healthcare. International patients can pay cash.

Why would a country with socialized medicine even have such a great surgeon if socialized medicine leads to crappier doctors?

That hospital also allows Canadians to pay cash for upgrades (private rooms, etc.) beyond the adequate care that the government pays for. By coincidence, that hospital was mentioned in another thread that has nothing to do with Rand Paul.
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That hospital also allows Canadians to pay cash for upgrades (private rooms, etc.) beyond the adequate care that the government pays for. By coincidence, that hospital was mentioned in another thread that has nothing to do with Rand Paul.
Do you have a link to that? When I researched the Canadian health care system the law stated that doctors, clinics, etc could NOT accept cash from people in the health care system under any circumstance.
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