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This is precisely why I dont want to see Trump cave. The con job the Democrats pulled in the 80s is a good reason to not trust the Democrats today.
If the wall wont work, build it anyway and then hang the failure on Trump. The money being asked for is peanuts compared to some of the other waste in the federal government. I'd almost bet a decent accountant could find ten billion that could be used and hardly anyone would notice.
As far as I'm concerned, the Democrats need to demonstrate they are trustworthy and will honor a deal they make. At this point, they have not.
Trump's $5 billion is not what it will take to build a wall. Everyone knows it will be $25 billion or more and take years to build. That's a lot more than peanuts, considering the money he's added to the deficit already.
Trump needs to honor the deal he agreed to just a month ago.
Dems and Reps passed a bill a few weeks before shutdown that Trump had basically agreed to. He walked away. Dems aren't holding anybody hostage. They are offering $5.7 billion for enhanced border security if the government is reopened. Why does it have to be a wall? Because Trump wants a monument, pure and simple. The majority don't want a wall.
Why not give the CBP what they say they need: a border wall, steel slat fence, etc.? Who should we believe on what's needed? The "we hate US citizens" Democrats? Or the CBP who actually have experience with this?
Exactly. Trump asked and Pelosi already said, "no." It's on her. Pelosi has no problem throwing DACA/TPS under the bus. She and the Dems hate Trump more than they care about US citizens and legal residents. They're letting their emotions overrule any attempt at rationality. That's mentally weak.
Dems and Reps agreed to a bill a few weeks before the shutdown. Trump was ready to sign until Coulter and Limbaugh weighed in. So Trump is the one who said, "no." Talk about mentally weak.
This is an outstanding article on the consequence of compromising with the Republicans.
The US government has a policy to not negotiate with terrorists. Why? Because once the terrorists get something in one deal, they will keep repeating it to get more and more.
Same with negotiating with Trump and the Republicans. If they get what they want from the shut-down, they will keep shutting down the government to get what they want.
Then don't pay it.
We are saving YUGE on the cost to run the bloated government.
Make it permanent.
You can also say if the Democrats keep getting Republicans to cave, they'll be intransigent again and again like they have been. So the answer is for the president to stand strong. Then maybe Democrats will be reasonable on other issues. With the border, they are completely unreasonable, as they are now refusing things they've accepted in the past.
Why are the Dems unreasonable on the border when they are offering $5.7 billion on border security to open the government? Tell me how that is unreasonable? Because Trump wants a wall with his name on it? There are other ways to enhance border security and the majority don't want it.
Why not give the CBP what they say they need: a border wall, steel slat fence, etc.? Who should we believe on what's needed? The "we hate US citizens" Democrats? Or the CBP who actually have experience with this?
Sweet Jesus.
Until just recently, there was a page on the Border Patrol website about what works better than a wall.
Just because the current group is toadying up to Trump like you all do, does not mean that's the most effective solution.
Instead of constantly bleating the same old lies, why not support mandatory E-Verify with penalties?
That's what actually works in most countries. Canada doesn't need a wall. You can't work there without the proper documents. Period.
The majority of Americans don't want Trump's wall and they definitely don't want a shutdown over his worthless wall.
The Republicans will pass a bill to re-open the fed gov if the bill includes the $5.7 billion for a border barrier. No more giving in before the actual agreement is in the bill. The Dems screwed Reagan on the exact same thing: promises they didn't keep on border security. Trump won't repeat that mistake. NEVER trust a Congressional Dem.
And you talk about screwing people, there was an actual bill PASSED before the shutdown that Trump agreed to sign and walk away from. How's that for a "Lucy with the football" moment?
Then don't pay it.
We are saving YUGE on the cost to run the bloated government.
Make it permanent.
I agree. As I posted earlier... This is actually a great opportunity to trim our bloated government. It's a start to transitioning more of fed gov's non-Constitutionally-mandated functions to privatization. That makes all the sense in the world because instead of some having to fund services for all, users will pay. Use a little; pay little. Use a lot; pay a lot. Exactly how real estate tax, utilities, toll roads, etc., work: users pay.
"border security" just a buzz word that is meaningless,we have had "border security" for decades and its done no good,its time to change what we are doing and that means the wall. Leftists don't want TRUE border security because eventually they will elect a democrat president who will give amnesty to the millions they are allowing to flood across the border and become democrat voters once they get that amnesty for them. This is the PERFECT example of party and politics and votes OVER Country.
So the southern border is 2000 miles long. Trump's wall would be 500 feet long. So with your logic, 1500 feet of the border would remain unsecured? Border security doesn't have to be a monument to Trump. The Dems are offering $5.7 billion in enhanced border security. There will never be a 2000 foot solid wall.
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