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View Poll Results: Do you support the Democrats' new abortion position?
Yes, choosing whether a baby lives or dies after birth is a decision between a woman and her doctor. 15 11.45%
No, this is premeditated murder. 108 82.44%
Not sure/don't know/undecided/other 8 6.11%
Voters: 131. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-08-2019, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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To be clear, the Virginia abortion law as it stands today, already allows for this. There is no change. The proposed bill, which has been defeated, allows for some of the obstacles to be removed for the procedure (one doctor's approval versus three doctors' approvals, for instance).
Yes. The law really would not have changed much other than not making a woman jump through hoops to get the medical care that she and her doctor think is best.

Could you imagine being told that the baby you want very much is going to die horribly, then having to go find two more doctors get appointments go see them, possible need more testing for that doctor, pay your co pays or the full visit charge out of pocket, then you can finally set up an appointment that your original doctor has deemed necessary?

What other medical treatment requires the patient to jump through these hoops?
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Old 02-08-2019, 10:34 AM
 
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Yes. The law really would not have changed much other than not making a woman jump through hoops to get the medical care that she and her doctor think is best.

Could you imagine being told that the baby you want very much is going to die horribly, then having to go find two more doctors get appointments go see them, possible need more testing for that doctor, pay your co pays or the full visit charge out of pocket, then you can finally set up an appointment that your original doctor has deemed necessary?

What other medical treatment requires the patient to jump through these hoops?

Not a one.


Also, if you end up carrying a child with severe deformaties that make life impossible, there are already several medical interventions (doctors) in the mix who have come to that diagnosis. But, those are probably not good enough since they were all ordered under the one GYN.
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Old 02-08-2019, 10:46 AM
 
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Actually, I support ending the suffering for non-viable fetuses who have severe health conditions that make them non-viable. You seem to be the one who think parents and dying infants should suffer. That suggests that something is wrong with you.
cannot rep you but as a professional,I have spent some time caring for the babies (anencephalic babies , microcephalic children most of which need sedation for the pain),and I find it heartbreaking to hear their cries .

I cannot condemn a woman to make such a difficult decision and have helped run sessions where even later,those that have had an abortion are still struggling with their decision.

we should never condemn women who have abortions for it is their struggle,their bodies,.we just need to be there for them if they need support imo
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Old 02-08-2019, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Palm Coast FL
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I quoted it for him, and he still didn't read it... I think that tells us all we need to know about this poster, to be quite honest.
Actually, I quoted it exactly several pages back, but I don't think you read it because you keep saying something different. If there is a different quote to support what you say, I want to see it.
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Old 02-08-2019, 11:09 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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We believe it because you vote for politicians who are open to it, as demonstrated by Northam's statements.


You're simply hearing what you want to hear and ignoring everything else. Including the fact that Northam's interpretation, or in this case horribly verbal summary, of what the bill would or wouldn't allow has absolutely ZERO bearing on the legal interpretation of that legislation.
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Old 02-08-2019, 11:12 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Just wondering how people feel about the Democrats' new abortion position. That position was articulated by Virginia Governor Ralph Northam, when he stated that one option would be to deliver the baby, make him or her comfortable, and then have a discussion with the mother about whether the baby should live or die.

Personally, I strongly disagree. What do you think?

I think you conveniently overlooked the fact that Northam's position was stated in reference to non-viable babies. I'm surprised you didn't lead with the typically hyperbolic 'Baby Killers! '
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Old 02-08-2019, 11:13 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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I think you conveniently overlooked the fact that Northam's position was stated in reference to non-viable babies. I'm surprised you didn't lead with the typically hyperbolic 'Baby Killers! '


The OP ain't the only one, just read some of the doozies in this thread....




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Old 02-08-2019, 11:16 AM
 
Location: The Eastern Shore
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Actually, I quoted it exactly several pages back, but I don't think you read it because you keep saying something different. If there is a different quote to support what you say, I want to see it.
Say what? Was this meant for me?
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Old 02-08-2019, 11:17 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I heard exactly what Northam said. If he doesn't understand the laws he's discussing, then he should explain himself. He hasn't.

Yet you fail to support it with a credible source.
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Old 02-08-2019, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Palm Coast FL
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Say what? Was this meant for me?
Sort of. You wrote the post, but the OP is the one who refuses to respond.
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