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Old 02-05-2019, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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What is absolute BS is that we tax at ordinary salary -- labor -- at the highest actual rates while Richie Rich CEO pays very little on his stock options and various tax shelters, all financially engineered by his accountants.


So tax everyone the same percentage, the same way.


10% federal, 5% state (maximums)

No deductions, no exceptions.
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:00 PM
 
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New polls just out....

"Surveys are showing overwhelming support for raising taxes on top earners, including a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll released Monday that found 76 percent of registered voters believe the wealthiest Americans should pay more in taxes. A recent Fox News survey showed that 70 percent of Americans favor raising taxes on those earning over $10 million — including 54 percent of Republicans."

That made Schultz spit up some coffee.
Just more idiocy from the left.....the rich know they are already soaked for most of the taxes.....look for U hauls leaving your state when the rich get fed up.......
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:06 PM
 
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Actually, according to published IRS data, it's 27.05%.

No, actually, my example is very specific and it is 23.8% as in

20%+3.8% = 23.8%, easy enough?


And that assumes absolutely no other tax breaks.
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:14 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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No, actually, my example is very specific and it is 23.8% as in

20%+3.8% = 23.8%, easy enough?
No, it isn't 23.8%. The average effective federal income tax rate of the top 0.1% is 27.05%. IRS data contradicts your ridiculous assertion: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/16in01etr.xls and https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/16in02etr.xls[
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Lol. So, do comment why (in my billion + example above) a hedge fund manager pays SMALLER percentage than a lot of the middle class, including me. I'll wait.


Oh, and as opposed to the middle class, no need to spend 5-10% of the income on health insurance, or say 10% on daycare, say ....% on college and so on, all of which can be viewed effectively as taxes. Suddenly those "crazy" income tax rates in some of the European countries, don't look as high anymore. Considering what's included.


So move to Europe.


Investments are taxed at lower rates because:

1. They're not "income" in the traditional sense.

2. Low taxes help encourage investment.

3. There is no guarantee of profit, and indeed a substantial risk of loss.


But I'd be fine with them being taxed at the same rate as everyone else...10% flat on profits.


Oh and BTW your question is asking me to explain why things are the way they are presently when I'm not endorsing the way things are presently.

Just in case that slipped by you.
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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So tax everyone the same percentage, the same way.


10% federal, 5% state (maximums)

No deductions, no exceptions.
With liberty and equal armed robbery for all!
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:29 PM
 
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With liberty and equal armed robbery for all!
A Libertarian response, to which I am not entirely unsympathetic.

Tell me, do you endorse complete anarchy?

Because unless you are suggesting a complete dismantling of government, it still requires a certain amount of revenue to fufill it's Constitutionally authorized functions.
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Old 02-05-2019, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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A Libertarian response, to which I am not entirely unsympathetic.

Tell me, do you endorse complete anarchy?

Because unless you are suggesting a complete dismantling of government, it still requires a certain amount of revenue to fufill it's Constitutionally authorized functions.
He does, No Recess is an anarcho-capitalist
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Old 02-05-2019, 01:12 PM
 
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No, it isn't 23.8%. The average effective federal income tax rate of the top 0.1% is 27.05%. IRS data contradicts your ridiculous assertion: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/16in01etr.xls and https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/16in02etr.xls[



Yeah, except that I never discussed the above.



So let me repeat a 1 billion hedge fund manager compensation would be taxed at 23.8% under the carried interest loophole. Much lower than the top income tax bracket.
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Old 02-05-2019, 01:15 PM
 
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So move to Europe.


Investments are taxed at lower rates because:

1. They're not "income" in the traditional sense.

2. Low taxes help encourage investment.

3. There is no guarantee of profit, and indeed a substantial risk of loss.


But I'd be fine with them being taxed at the same rate as everyone else...10% flat on profits.


Oh and BTW your question is asking me to explain why things are the way they are presently when I'm not endorsing the way things are presently.

Just in case that slipped by you.



Nope, I'm not talking about investments. I guess that slipped by you.
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